Friday, January 23, 2015

Why Pastor Matt Higgins is intently leading many astray.


Very recently I had received an message concerning a so called Pastor named Matt Higgins, to avoid in fighting I want to address the basic out line of Matt Higgins false, callous and nonfactual article that was written about myself among others, but apparently I have written that I stated these people who I have examined and spoken out against these practices and teachings are comparing me to a lady in saying heretics apparently are going to hell, this rant against all discernment sites, pod-casts and blogs are false and libelous.

The accusations are nothing more than lies that include name calling and the meanderings of those who have no love for the truth these are people who we call truth resisters that would defend proven neo-evangelicals, ecumenism etc but then says that those of us engaged in these activities should repent of our outspoken and public renouncement of men like Billy Graham etc would even suggest that the people like myself are like the grand inquisitors of 1556 who would burn people at the stake because they stood for biblical orthodoxy.  John the Baptist called the Pharisees and Sadducees (the religious leaders of his day) "a generation of Vipers" (snakes) (Matt. 3:7). Today, John would be accused of being a witch hunter, unloving, unkind, and unchristian. There are many examples in the Bible where individuals spoke out against false teachers.

Matt Higgins states that it is down to local pastors to watch over and warn the flock, in one sense this is true and their is no disagreement here, the point is this if many pastors did what they were supposed to people like me would not exist, the scripture teaches us also about the Lord placing watchman in the last days what this Pastor fails to tell you scriptural principles one good example was laid out by Mike Oppenheimer from Let Us Reason Ministries, does describe men like Matt Higgins as intently discouraging anyone from exercising discernment.

Here is the site in question

"Just as 1 Peter 3:15 commands us as Christians to always be ready to give a defense of your faith to those outside (apologetics) the church, Jude 3 to defend it within the Church (polemics). Jude had to have been aware of Peter’s proclamation because his book extends off of Peters second epistle on the false teachers who were beginning to come into the church.
Jesus said: “For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged” (Mat. 7:2). If you judge something by the word of God you should be willing to be judged by the same standard. Jesus repeatedly taught men to judge rightly, insisting they “judge with righteous judgment” (John 7:24) and He praised a man who “rightly judged” (Luke 7:43). the Apostle Paul wrote, “He who is spiritual judges all things” for “we have the mind of Christ” (1Cor. 2:15-16). We are never to judge the eternal destiny of someone, but we are commanded to judge their teachings.

When a teaching or practice does not line up with God’s Word, we are commanded “by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict” (Titus 1:9).

We are told to “Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine” (II Tim. 4:2).

“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove (show them for what they really are) them.” (Eph.5:11).

All these are stated to protect sheep who do not know better and can be influenced by something non-Biblical that can affect their Christian walk adversely. It is also to stop the aberrant teacher so they can be corrected. Keeping the church open to a person’s ministry that is teaching falsehood is not a loving action. A true shepherd’s first concern is to protect the sheep and then direct his attention to the individual who needs the correction.

Today the Church has moved from the challenges from without to addressing those from within. The center of concern is now within the Churches walls itself. As a result, many had to focus inward and use polemics to protect the Church; which is applying apologetics toward those in the assembly. When we find false teaching outside the Church, for instance from Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons, everyone can agree there is a problem. But when false teaching is found inside the Church then the issue becomes delicate, and the act of addressing and exposing it is considered fault-finding! This is a tragic irony, for discernment means bringing into question something that can or already has divided the Church from the doctrine we are to uphold and practice.

For the apostle john says 2 John 10, I1. “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” Back then the house was the church, they were not to give these people a platform to influence the assembly. Today many people watch ministries on TV who bring another doctrine and let them in their house, we are commanded not to.

Its been said by some that the truth can defend itself, there is no need to address falsehood. This statement is not only non-Biblical it can be disastrous. Jesus, Peter, Paul, John, and Jude all addressed error and falsehood.

The famous preacher J. Gresham Machen said it this way: “Again, men tell us that our preaching should be positive and not negative, that we can preach the truth without attacking error. But if we follow that advice we shall have to close our Bible and desert its teachings. The New Testament is a polemic book almost from beginning to end ... It is when men have felt compelled to take a stand against error that they have risen to the really great heights in the celebration of the truth” (What Is Christianity, as cited in Biblical Separation, by Ernest Pickering, p. 97).

If we acted like the Berean’s that Paul commended, much of the teachings we hear today by the Word of God and not according to someone’s popularity, we would have to reject many popular ministers. The fact is--some big ministries should be questioned by the church. Not promoting them is not enough-the people need to warned about them. By discerning what is being said, testing it, we find what is challenging the truth we defend the faith by the Word of God. whatever can anyone find wrong with this?

Some people’s solution is “Test nothing”“ do not expose the unfruitful works of darkness”, they want you to “love the wolves like you do the sheep.” Both Jesus and Paul state that in the last days many are going to be drawn away by false teachers and prophets both in and outside the church, speaking in the name of Jesus. As Walter Martin said prophetically, “The reason is because the people will not test them. The Church will become fragmented and divided because we won’t put them to the test.” But there is a purpose in testing as Paul writes, “For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions (heresies) exist among you; and in part, I believe it. For there must also be heresies among you, in order that those who are approved may have become evident among you” (1 Corinthians 11:18-19).

To test what is said then gives approval to those who correct in doctrine and helps us identify whom we are to separate from who are wrong in doctrine (Romans 16:17). The Church has always chosen to separated from error and falsehood in the past, today it has not come as easily. The main purpose in discerning is to give Christians information equip them to protect themselves and their own congregations. In the times we live in we are to encourage preachers to stand true to the Word of God. Those who follow the truth listen to the Word--those who follow false prophets listen to these men and women even when they contradict the teachings of Scripture. Sounds simple enough to identify, but not when one is in the thick of things.

Discernment is a necessary spiritual practice for ones survival in the jungle of todays non - biblical teaching. Being clever or intelligent does not necessarily mean you are exercising discernment. It is listening to the revealed voice of the shepherd in the Scriptures so that we can know a false shepherd/teacher/prophet in disguise. The Bereans were exercising discernment. A Berean is someone who goes to the Word; he esteems God’s Word over any mans word,  personality or the prestige of men. One does not become a Berean overnight; it takes training and time. When Paul came to the Bereans and they looked into the Word to see if what Paul was saying was in fact correct, this was not a new concept but an Old Testament one. When the Pharisees disputed Jesus over His claims, He pointed them to the Word. When Paul reasoned with the Bereans they received what he said with readiness. But they did not just take his word, they went to the Scripture as their source to see if what he was saying was true.

Acts 17:11 Now the Bereans “were of more fair minded (noble character) than those  in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness(great eagerness) and searched (examined) the Scriptures daily (every day) to find out whether these things were so (if what Paul said was true).” They had a right spirit and attitude as they questioned the apostle, not by their opinions but from the Scripture. The greater portion of the New Testament is written by the Apostle Paul, yet he allowed for them to question Him. He called them of better blood than their brethren they were noble,  because they tested his statements. To honestly investigate truth actually shows that someone has integrity and is willing to believe God and not man.

And they are willing to follow it wherever it may lead. If we detect a flaw that arrests our attention it just may be the Holy Spirit giving us some insight. There is nothing wrong with doubting experiences; what we cannot do is doubt His Word. Not all doubt is from the enemy; God can give us doubt so we can test to see if something else might be in operation. 1 Corinthians 2:15 tells us to discern or appraise ALL things (The Greek word is anakrino); there are places the Bible commands us to judge, and there are places we are not to. In this Scripture it tells us he who is spiritual is to judge all things. Just as Hebrews 5:13 explains, it is the spiritual person who will test things, the unspiritual will not. Those who do not test we are told are still immature and on milk. We are able to prove we know spiritual truth by our resistance to the falsehood.

In Isaiah 21:6 it says “Go, set a watchman, let him declare what he sees.” The watchman was the first line of defense of a fortified city. They stood on the watchtower and were trained to spot the enemies of Israel and would warn of an approaching enemy. Watchman in Hebrew is opeh, meaning “one who looks out, spies, watches.”(In this particular Scripture the destruction of Babylon is determined.)

They are under conviction and will become guilty if they do not say something. Just as Ezekiel was the watchman for Israel God has his watchmen for the church. Ezekiel 33: 6,11 “But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman's hand” ..... “ As I live' says the Lord God, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live.”’ “(2 Sam 18:25; 2 Kings 9:17-18. 3. Sword. Cf, Ezek 21:1-19. Trumpet. See Hos 8:1; Jer 6:1; Neh 4:19-20”(from Wycliffe Bible Commentary).

God raises up men with ministries to “dig in the walls” and watch for apostasy and warn them when it is taking place. Like Ezekiel was instructed to do for Israel (Ezek. 8:7-10). Ezekiel was then instructed to preach about what he had witnessed (Ezek. 11:4,25). If the Lord has called someone to do this and they do not, the blood is on their hands, as Paul said like Ezekiel woe is me if I do not do it! (Acts 20:27) “woe is me if I do not preach the gospel!”( 1 Cor.9:16). The prophet is duty bound, and has the responsibility to warn as a watchman concerning any perceived danger, just as the prophet is to sound out God's warning against sin. Paul warned the Ephesian church night and day with tears against the savage wolves that would come from among them. The Ephesians were later commended by Jesus for testing those who claimed to be apostles in Revelation 2:2. This is the Church that Paul warned in Acts 20:29 about savage wolves and they were obedient to his warning.

To Ezekiel God said “Son of man, I am sending you to the sons of Israel, to a rebellious people who have rebelled against the Me... neither fear them or fear their words, though thistles and thorns are with you and you sit on scorpions; neither fear their words nor be dismayed at their presence, for they are a rebellious house. But you shall speak My words to them whether they listen or not...” (Ezek. 2:3,6,7).

Paul also told Timothy the very same thing; “Preach the Word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction” (Timothy 4:2). Some people are appointed and must speak out as it was with Jeremiah, a fire burns within their bones, it is oftentimes a thankless job rewarding only to the one who has obeyed what the Lord required of him. They were not concerned about the numbers but about the truth. Every battle in our spiritual warfare has a mission of falsehood to the body of Christ; it targets the truth.

Instead the watchmen who are warning the church, standing for the truth become the target for all kinds of attacks.

Those who exercise discernment make themselves more of a target to be attacked more than any other ministry because they are contending with the truth against the falsehood that is so prevalent today. Sometimes people don’t know a good thing until they really need it. I often get letters from people I went back and forth on certain issues months before. They write letters of apology because after they have calmed down they investigated what I said and found it to be true and left the church or cult they were involved with. Sometimes things take time but praying in faith I believe god is working on some of these peoples hearts that are at first so argumentative.

Today to obey the negative biblical commands of Christ are unloving-To carefully test things by the Bible is unloving-To warn of false gospels is unloving-To mark and avoid false teachers is mean-spirited and unloving. What ever happened to “IF ANYONE LOVES ME, HE WILL KEEP MY WORD: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our home with him” (John 14:23) “If you love you Me you will continue in MY word.” Keeping His words means to also watch, to discern, to test, to judge. To walk in love means you watch out for others, not just yourself. Speak up when it is necessary.

The Liberals in the church have stripped the people of any inclination to pursue the truth. Everything has become reversed. Pointing out the problem becomes the problem, and the one who sees the error is called divisive.

It now matters more what you say about someone than the truth. A lesson in how not to judge--Don’t judge until someone says something about your teacher then you can judge them and call them every negative name possible to show they are judgmental. This is a sad reversal of what the Bible actually says.

The disputes in the church have become like the politics of the Republicans and Democrats. But this is not about running the country but something much more serious, handling the Word of God correctly. The spiritually correct are no different then the politically correct, they have no opinion except to say no one should have an opinion other than agree with theirs. They tenaciously fight for their opinion then demonize others who stand on the biblical commands. Liberalism has invaded pulpits to the extent that the Bible means only what one think it means. The bottom line is and always will be what does the Bible actually say not twist the words to conform to ones own predilection.

A. W. Tozer wrote before he went to be with the Lord in 1963 in his book The Dwelling Place of God “intentionally or innocently by someone's personal testimony, or by a colorful story told by a fervent preacher who may speak with prophetic finality, but has not checked his story with the facts, nor tested the soundness of his conclusions by God's Word.

However high the emotional content, no experience can be proved to be genuine unless we can find chapter and verse authority for it in the Scriptures. Whatever is new or singular should also be viewed with a lot of caution until it can furnish scriptural proof of its validity. Over the last half-century, quite a number of unscriptural notions have gained acceptance among Christians by claiming that they were among the truth that was to be revealed in the last days. To be sure, say the advocates of this latter-day-light theory:

“Augustine. did not know, Luther did not, John Knox, Wesley, Finney and Spurgeon did not understand this; but greater light has now shined upon God's people and we of these last days have the advantage of fuller revelation. We should not question the new doctrine or draw back from this advanced experience. The Lord is getting His Bride ready for the marriage supper of the Lamb. We should all yield to ' this new movement of the Spirit.” So they tell us.

The truth is that the Bible does NOT teach that there will tie new light and advanced spiritual experiences in the latter days. It teaches the exact opposite. Nothing in Daniel or the New Testament epistles can be tortured into advocating the idea that we of the end of the Christian era shall enjoy light that was not known at its beginning.

Beware of any man who claims to be wiser than the apostles or “ holier than the martyrs of the Early Church. The best way to deal with him is to rise and leave his presence. You cannot help him and he surely cannot help you. (A.W. Tozer, The Dwelling Place of God)

A pastor is responsible for teaching the truth in his own church, and he needs to know the condition of his flock. Like shepherding a literal sheep flock requires vigilance and a sharp eye for danger (not to mention correcting guidance for grazing), some pastors haven’t taken seriously the call to be watchmen. More watchmen are needed today not less.

Today if someone doesn’t get their prophecy right they adjust it. If someone challenges them on what they have said as unbiblical they just ignore it. Only a few people see things the way they actually are. When they speak up others look at them as the enemy of the church, as if they are coming against Christ has said. It was the same for Israel with their watchmen and their prophets. They refused to hear what they had to say; instead they listened to the false prophets. Israel’s attitude of tolerance for the false prophets is what got Jeremiah at the bottom of a well.

When occult or cultic beliefs become integrated into the church’s practice under the cover of Christian terminology, they pass under the radar screen of many who cannot recognize it for what they are. And it requires an astute person who is trained to discern them and point them out. People should be thankful that someone has the gifting the ability, the willingness and boldness to “tell it like it is. Instead, people in the church scream out, “don’t judge” “don’t touch my anointed.” Don’t judge doesn’t help you one bit if you are in error, but strips you of your discernment and protects those who are teaching falsely. God is into protecting His people from harm, He does not want us to protect false teachers, but be protected from them.

Jude writes to the Church “Contend earnestly for the faith” Attacks were being made on the sacred deposit of Christian truth, doctrines which were to keep everyone on course were being wittled away. So there was need to strengthen them. Contend is a strong word, it means to strive (like an athlete in public games) this word epogomzomai is a unique word, meaning to be combatant, contending, it is not passive. The word earnestly gives an even more serious and forceful meaning to this phrase. 1 Tim 6:12 Paul writes “Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.” What we believe we are to defend. Christ is to permeate every aspect of our social and personal life. We were not chosen to be frozen to our rear, the time is to do something, and it is up to each one of us not to only a few. How weighty is your Christianity, or is it light. How bright is your light or how dim is it. Its been said if you don’t speak up for anything you will sit down with everything.

This faith Jude says is once delivered unto the saints, means “once for all,” completed. He is referencing the apostles teaching, that we now all share as believers. This confirms the finality of the revelation of God in Christ. If we are in the faith we are implored to use it. But this is not to be done in a contentious way. 2 Tim 2:23-26 “But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.”

We are to strive lawfully, so that we do not disqualify ourselves or give the unbeliever or believer something to point to; we are to testify without ruining our testimony. That no one would have anything to say about our character, but only about the truth that we presented about Jesus. We are not to revile nor seek vengeance, but use the judgment from the word of God not judge by our feelings or own opinions.

Vernon McGee on his commentary of Jude writes: “For ten long and weary years, the Greeks laid siege to the city of Troy, but they did not make a dent in the fortifications. It seemed impregnable, and they could not get an entrance into the city. Then there came forth a suggestion. The suggestion was to build a wooden horse with soldiers concealed inside, to leave it outside the gate, and then to pretend to sail away. So they made the wooden horse, the soldiers were put inside, and it was put by the gate of the city of Troy. Well, curiosity got the best of the Trojans. When they saw the Greeks sailing away, they thought the war was over. They went out, saw the horse, and decided to pull it inside the city. It certainly was a novelty, something to have. That night, the soldiers who were on the inside climbed out, and they were able to unlock the gates of the city from the inside. In the meantime, under cover of darkness, the fleet of Greek ships returned. They had only pretended to sail away. What an entire army of mighty men could not do from the outside in ten years, a few soldiers did from the inside. In the same way, the church has been harmed today and has been taken over by liberalism: Actually, the church has never been harmed from the outside. Persecution caused it to grow by leaps and bounds. Today we are witnessing the destruction of the church from the inside-it's an inside job. Christ was betrayed from the inside, not from the outside. One of His own betrayed Him over to His nation,. His nation betrayed Him over to the Romans, and the Romans: brought Him to the cross. The church is being betrayed today by the ones who, have gotten: in by the side door.”

They snuck in as Peter states and we allow them the best seats in the house, how rude we have been to the Holy Spirit, ignoring the one who is the author of truth by not testing these false ones with His Word.

Today’s ecumenical unity is based on finding and maintaining our lowest common denominator, not interested in pursuit of our highest calling and purpose. When we sacrifice  truth for unity no disagreement is found because there is no Biblical standard upheld to agree on.

Grechen Machen stated, “We are told that our theological differences will disappear if we just get down on our knees together in prayer. Well, I can only say about that kind of prayer, which is indifferent to the question whether the gospel is true or false, that it is not Christian prayer; it is bowing down in the house of Rimmon. God save us from it!” (Education, Christianity & The State, p. 28)

2 John 9 writes to us about deceivers and tells us that the only way to know is by doctrine: “Whoever transgresses (goes beyond the boundaries set forth and already established) and does not abide (live in, trust, stay in remain in) the doctrine of Christ does not have God.” Doctrine is must to uphold. Not all things are to be considered serious but some are, some battles are worth fighting over.
I think I can speak on behalf of the many who are discerning, that we all desire to see the body of Christ to have the willingness to address the issues at hand biblically, honestly and with integrity so they can be resolved. But they need to be addressed, they cannot be ignored. 1 Cor. 1:10: “Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.”

We do not have too much judgment, but little judgment and this is why the church is in the state it is in. The author in Hebrew tells us  “For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil ”(Heb. 5:13-14).

It is the mature believers who judges, those who are of “maturity,” are those who have trained themselves by exercising their senses to discern between good and evil through the Word.  Those who do not judge are babes in the word. Maybe this is the answer, many have not become mature so they are unable to tell the truth from error.

Today there has been a slow weakening of the overall church, but individuals are being strengthened to serve the Lord. I believe the Lord is telling us to strengthen what remains. Strengthen it in our personal lives and strengthen it in the church because we are heading toward some very unusual and unsteady times in the world and the church, everything will most certainly be affected. We are to maintain a constant watchfulness, as though we are in warfare; because we are in spiritual warfare.

Solomon’s guidance: “Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge” (Proverbs 19:27). Solomon says to walk away from those who teach error. Paul does, John does and so does Jesus. God’s Word tells us to judge and put away, separate ourselves from false teachers and false teaching when they first appear in our midst.It is for our spiritual survival.

Let me end with some words of wisdom from Charles Spurgeon who writes “Complicity with error will take from the best of men the power to enter any successful protest against it ... Fellowship with known and vital error is participation in sin ... As soon as I saw, or thought I saw, that error had become firmly established, I did not deliberate, but quitted the body at once. Since then my counsel has been 'Come out from among them.' I have felt that no protest could be equal to that of distinct separation from known evil ... That I might not stultify my testimony I have cut myself clear of those who err from the faith, and even from those who associate with them”  ( C.H.S., The Sword and the Trowel.)2

Matt Higgins is showing he is biblically ignorant on what apologetics and polemics actually mean, in his blog states that we are simply people hiding behind our computer screens trolling around Google and then contradicts him self by going on a witch hunt for what he calls "discernment sites" in this Matt Higgins is "trolling Google" as he puts it, this means that Matt Higgins is guilty for doing what he accuses others of doing, it is to be expected when entering any form of work in this area, it is a very common reaction, as is often the case we see from the example of many people out there who defend there cult leaders, ecumenical leaders or groups and public speakers that are popular, this issue of what is promoted in the name of Christ often goes global beyond the local church and their defenders, these people would go to great lengths to defame and smear against those who are simply concerned by error to write about it by addressing matters of theology such as Roman Catholicism to false teachers.

It is ironic that Matt Higgins posts very little about himself this is not very transparent, but does write in his biography that Matt Higgins is a " Pastor, preacher, musician, worship leader. For 15 years, Matt Higgins has been ----->mixing his unique blend of driving and melodic hard rock with theological musings<------ and="" br="" christ="" life="" on="" suffering.="" the="" worship="">
For me is a clear indication as to the type of person he is simply put it this way God hates mixture,  I would recommend that we keep away from Pastors or anyone who simply would want to cover over for those who would lead us into doctrinal error by telling us to refrain from investigating and researching etc, it is for this reason that FPA believes that everything we do must be based on biblical principles and that we make sure that what we put on the website, YouTube, podcast, twitter feed and blogs is factual information, we have have never posted anything nonfactual about Francis Chan or others listed, as Director of First Plumbline Apologetics, I have never hid behind a computer screen and I have used my real name the blog, this proves that was written by Matt Higgins is unfounded and false, these accusations are not founded on facts but is conspiratorial, to prove my point we currently run two bloggs, one website, a youtube account etc even YouTube has videos of myself giving talks and challenging various catholic and interfaith groups, here is one example in 2012 my interview with someone claiming to be a roman catholic missionary nun, the title of the video is Street Preaching in London whilst the Olympics are in London Day 13 this is one of many Videos and I have also been a host speaker for Rapture Ready Radio's First Plumbline Hour it is my belief id rather people be drawn to the Truth as Jesus then be popular and depend on any reputation it is rather Jesus wants us to worship him not only in spirit but in truth also.

For that the article in question Trolling, Discernment Blogging and Other Internet Witch Hunts Christians Should Repent Of is blatantly false when Francis Chan came to my area of Manchester UK he has been working along side ecumenical and interfaith groups and other organizations, Francis Chan has spoken  and engaged with those who are working in corporation with Islamic groups, such as scripture unions push for Chrislam, Francis Chan has repeatedly promoted roman catholic mystics etc that has mixed eastern religious practices in contemplative prayer methods some of who he quotes were students of Thomas Merton and Thomas Keating this is why I believe and have good reason to make the statement that Francis Chan is a sell out to Rome.

What I do is not a witch hunt, a few years ago I was e-mailed by some one asking me if I knew or could find information about Francis Chan, what this pastor is doing is called slander and this is not in accordance with Ephesians 5 if I am in error he should have come to me, this man is guilty of what he himself is accusing me of doing.

Pastor David Cloud wrote a brilliant article on this subject and I would suggest he also speak out against way of life ministries, let us reason ministry's, bryth ministries (Dusty Peterson), James Sundquist on Rick Warren etc.

As I had apparently made the statement that Francis Chan, rick warren, et el are all going to hell and that I stated Francis Chan was a heretic rather then what I actually stated was that Neo-Calvinist, New Age gnostic and a sell out. So far Matt Higgins has failed to show any of his readers any evidence of his accusations, it leaves me good reason to believe that it is People like Matt Higgins who are pushing for all and any tolerance of error's, I really do not have time for neo-evangelicals it is many ecumenical defenders and recognized cults have all said the same things, as what this guy has said what he is not telling you is that here in the UK we have a very serious problem of many evangelicals attending catholic masses or believing that Roman Catholics are truly saved, even the Catholic Priests, they would go to great lengths in having Roman Catholic Dioceses part organize pentecostal and protestant evangelical events this is what we call a bonding marriage in the spiritual sense we known this to be true through our own correspondence with the Roman Catholic Arch dioceses of Liverpool England, I have personally known people personally to convert to Roman Catholicism and evangelicals even within my own family who claim to be evangelical Pentecostals have also attended Eucharistic services and Matt Higgins is refusing publicly to speak out.

What Matt Higgins has done is nothing short of baring false witness, what Matt Higgins does not understand is that I have no axe to grind and we do not get into the habit of giving slanderous accusations, allot of them are quotations from Public Speakers, Francis Chan and others listed are engaging with the global christian community influencing millions around the world this goes beyond the Local Church, it is the problem most Pastors in the UK are are to compromised into working in pulling unsuspecting evangelicals into a marriage with Rome here in the UK or are ill equip to be dealing with the new emerging errors, I have shown examples in this response were the Bible talks about watchmen, this is not an issue of pride as we take what we do very seriously, if these influences come into my local gathering we will examine it and I have contacts and connections around the UK with other Christians, I have been in contact with some of these UK national leaders even had debates with ecumenical and national neo-evangelical pastors, this American pastor does not personally know me or what I do in the UK, he has not bothered to take the time to ask me about any concerns he had had it is in this I find his approach very unloving, I have personally approached leaders with in Britain for example in 2012 19 Pastors formed a committee in London as was called ultimate gold part of a wider group in conjunction with Jesuits setting up a joint task force called More Than Gold led by the Roman Catholic Council of Catholic Bishops in Westminster London, the smaller group of pastors in this agreed to promote the catholic mass it was evangelicals that invited me to come along and take part in taking the Catholic Eucharist, I personally have had conversations working with a group of people who are from the greater London area, it has been a busy 6 years as we have proactively been fighting to maintain separation from the Roman Catholic Church here in the UK what we did was also backed by two local churches we also had notify the police of our activities, as on two accounts myself and a colleague were assaulted psychically for our opposition to what they were doing we have even been psychically thrown out of meetings for not participating in ecumenical activities.

The reason apart from being asked for information on Francis Chan and others was because he plays a pivotal role here in the UK in bringing in the Unification of new ecumenical ventures this is what we called "Missional Ecumenism" the groups that Chan has been part of in the UK are tied to the world council of churches through groups that are part of Churches Together (AKA CTE), we simply have had no choice but have been placed in the position to write what was written and for very good reason, this is the reason why I had taken time out to write a response and to explain why we do a much larger scale of the work that we are doing, for example their has been a massive operation from the Jesuit Orders working within evangelical churches secretly and now they have openly admitted this to me when I was in London.

It is for this reason why I appreciate the contacts of people who inform First Plumbline of any opposition or move against FPA regardless of what they do to blacken our name or damage the work that is done we will always show love in telling the truth exposing the corruption, deceit and lies what they fail to reason two things, First Plumbline Apologetics does not rely on reputation or nor do we seek to be popular and that our war is not with these people, we it for this we do expose these people we list for there doctrines and influences over masses of people who are led astray such as, priests, Franciscan monks, Dominicans, bishops etc, it is with Roman Catholicism itself and any promotion of false unity that is leading many away from Christ and the central gospel.

I will still continue to reach out to Roman Catholics as I do love them, but not at the cost of seeking to have spiritual unity with them as Matt Higgins advocates those people who are pushing hard to achieve this goal.

It is this that as Believers we all have a responsibility to what God has called us to do firstly to look after our families, to preach the gospel as I do every Saturday, including one to one, and handing tracts and then after focusing on the word of God daily the work that myself and others do in FPA, for Matt Higgins who has criticised FPA, I would say to him I do welcome it as it proves that we are having an effect to gain such a reaction from him but it only achieve the opposite to what he has stated, in my own experience the lord has used this work to open eyes from the responses we have received, we thank the Lord for all he has done he is reaching over 700 people a week on the weekly radio show and drawing in more then 900,000 readers per year and growing.

I do expect to receive more criticism what this person wrote I found very mild others have been very abusive but the lord is keeping us as he has done for over 9 years, I would like to encourage the readers to stand strong and firm in the Lords strength and keep fighting the good fight of faith as the Bereans did in the Book of Acts time is short and the Lords return is near.

God Bless You

Miguel Hayworth

Thursday, December 11, 2014

John Crowder Catholosism EXPOSED! A Review of toking the ghost

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A record was published in 2008 by John Crowder titled Tokin the Ghost,

Toking the Ghost

the album it self is a blend of pagan and Roman Catholic Mysticism when upon close examination their is nothing rooted Biblical we cannot for reasons that John Crowder may take us to court and sue us for simply telling the truth, the information on the album can be found at the following site

The Tracks listed are

This  article is an examination of John Crowder's records I am going to use a very small segment of Crowder's teachings so you can get some Idea of who John Crowder really is and who's gospel does he really represent after further examination it is Roman Catholicism and not Biblical Christianity.

1) In track 3 John Crowder in his own words says "Lord release the mystical powers of heaven..."

Stigmatize us, Lord I want a stiggy give me the five rich red rubies of the stigmata..." "I want a stiggy that glows, I want a stiggy that grows little golden lilies from my hands..."

John Crowder is clearly promoting Occultism and Occult practices it is very well known to the occult world that the stigmata is mostly associated by devout Roman Catholics that it is an occult manifestation of bodily marks sores, or sensations of pain in locations which most cases correspond to the crucifixion wounds of Messiah.

These types are proven to be false manifestations that had there inception within the mother of all Harlots (The Roman Catholic Church) these can be dated to the 13th century, people like St Francis of Assisi had bleed from the hands none of the accounts are founded in the Bible but to the devotion of Mariolatry.

To justify this teaching they may quote Gal.6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus. this is not talking about receiving some mystical marks if people read what is written you will read that Paul was persecuted and beaten by people who rejected the gospel in doing so he is saying that the beatings he received left marks in his body and so the afflictions he did receive were the marks of Christ, I am pretty sure if you were beaten up for the gospel you also would receive the marks of Christ if your persecution was for the gospel, tell why are masses of Catholics or those who received the stigmata did not receive a beating Paul's marks were not caused by some mystical apparition that appeared on his hands, rather they were the marks carried by the hands of men, this is why he said after he was persecuted the marks he received from the beatings were trophies we read where Paul received his marks in 2 Corinthians 11:25 Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea; if you were to read 2 Corinthians 11:24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Paul receive 40 lashes in context the scripture in Gal.6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus, is speaking of his treatment by the roman solders their is nothing to suggest that the marks on Paul were anything mystical as John Crowder by his own vain imagination would like us to believe again John Crowder is perverting the gospel of Christ according to the apostle Paul, the bible refutes this claim it is famously known that Padre Pio was famous for the stigmata he was exposed and a proven fraud I have very good reasons to believe that the stigmata is counterfeit as documented in Various journals and books such as Counterfeit Miracles By B.B. Warfield, John Crowder will brush this off by saying "As with every valid miracle of God, there simultaneously exist demonic counterfeits" he would use this rational to justify these diabolical teachings of his.

John Crowder seems to suggest that "visual imagery is so dramatically Christ-centered
with stigmata, invoking the emotions with such a direct picture of His passion – the enemy will attempt to confuse it as much as possible." we never in the Bible find examples of this but we do in the Roman Catholic Church, this is nothing more than basing scripture rooted in the authority of tradition and not the authority of the bible itself, John Crowder represents from the historical 13th century century roman catholic monastics such as Lady Helen of Veszprim by her fellow closeted nuns and contemporaries.

Even though John Crowder refuses to accept that he is a Roman Catholic or Protestant, he does not condemn it either but speaks highly of high profile and notable representatives of Roman Catholicism and those who are in strong defense of this religion and its mystics/gnostic, I have strong reason to believe that John Crowder is vastly ignorant and delusional of what Roman Catholicism represents and even promotes varied notable Roman Catholics, John Crowder is blindly following the footsteps of the most sincere and authentic deep rooted traditions of in defense of Roman Catholicism's authentic teachings and practices, where as most Catholics would just stick to the Catholic Holidays, the Rosary, Mass and confession's to a priest, John Crowder would perfect candidate for the pope to awaken its centenary's old catholic mysticism that would lead us back to the dark ages.

John Crowder stated that that
visual imagery is Christ Centered, this teaching again is not rooted in any historical evangelical practice or teachings, nor is this found in the Bible, it is rooted in Roman Catholism, but is forbidden in the Bible.

The Roman Catholic encyclopedia proves it is a Roman Catholic practice that states that images are very important in the RCC that the Pope tells us it is Christ Centered based on his authority:

we conceive the higher realities only by analogy with sensible things, but it in no way follows that we conceive nothing but what is material. Images play a very important part in all the activities of the intellectual order; but they do not constitute that order itself. The very spirituality of the human soul depends on this latter truth.
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 753 In Scripture, we find a host of interrelated images and figures through which Revelation speaks of the inexhaustible mystery of the Church. The images taken from the Old Testament are variations on a profound theme: the People of God. In the New Testament, all these images find a new center because Christ has become the head of this people, which henceforth is his Body.144 Around this center are grouped images taken "from the life of the shepherd or from cultivation of the land, from the art of building or from family life and marriage."145

This is the same teaching that John Crowder promotes in his article Stigmata and Blood Sign Miracles - Part 2,
that is contrary to scripture Lev. 26:1, "You shall not make for yourselves idols, nor shall you set up for yourselves an image or a sacred pillar, nor shall you place a figured stone in your land to bow down to it; for I am the Lord your God."  See Joshua 23:7

The Bible called this Idolatry
2 Chron. 33:6-7, He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking Him to anger. 7 Then he put the carved image of the idol which he had made in the house of God, of which God had said to David and to Solomon his son, “In this house and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen from all the tribes of Israel, I will put My name forever;

Ezek. 14:3, "Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts, and have put right before their faces the stumbling block of their iniquity. Should I be consulted by them at all?"

So does this promote idolatry? according to the scripture and its own practices, yes it does.

"Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry." (1 Cor. 10:14).

Another Track in the Album Tokin the Ghost is John Crowder teaching:

"Lord hear our Prayer we want to talk to animals....." "Lord, I want to be like St Francis of Assisi, communicating with the wolves, communicating with the bears, communicating with the animals of the forest...."

Acording to a Catholic site it was true that the Story was told that
St. Francis of Assisi (1182-1226) could communicate with animals and felt at one with all creation. Here are a few of the stories that were first recorded by Thomas of Celano during the 13th century.  

St Francis of Assisi practices are not in the context of scripture as much as what he held to was simply another gospel Francis of Assisi believed in the Reliquim Mass, Rosary, Mariolatry, The Doctrine of Intention, the Doctrine of Extreme unction and the authority of Oral Tradition etc, it is much often said that Communication with animals has been a pagan practice for centuries. Animals would act as spirit guides as people would converse with them for direction and wisdom St Francis of Assisi would fall pray under this category.

As we go through much of what Crowder promotes such Leading Roman Catholics, Catholic Saints etc it will come clear to you that John Crowder does not really represent the Biblical Jesus or Biblical Historical Evangelicalism what John Crowder promotes is counterfeit and a dire ignorance of the Bible itself.

Album "Toking the ghost" - Mystical Powers

John Crowder says "Lord, Hear our prayer. Levitate us!" "Lord, we want to float. Release ascension miracles..." "I want to float like Teresa of Avila, I want to be so wacked up like the Gaper, the Flying friar Joseph of Cupertino, that I just fly all around with my buddies..."

Levitation is deeply rooted in the occult, It has been practiced by Hindu siddhas, Buddhist Monks, Mediums and Roman Catholic Mystics. In Hinduism the power of levitation is called the dardura-siddhi (the frog power).

This shows no biblical bases for such teachings or practices, occultists call this PK Psychokinesis, it is a well known fact that there is no conclusive evidence that psychokinesis is a real phenomenon much of what we call Levitation is by far the stretch of the imagination and at best superstition, the bible tells us “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority” (Colossians 2:8-10).

Mysticism is nothing more than a deceptive philosophy that is hollow and depends on human tradition, John Crowder has all the Markings and a makes it of pushing traditional mystic roman catholic practices and teachings.

Album "Toking the ghost" - Mystical Powers

John Crowder says "Lord, release the miracle of lactation from our bodies (sucking noises) as we nurse from the breast of heaven...."

John Crowder is asking God for the miracle of male lactation so that he can produce his own milk. He also wants to drink from the breast of heaven that he would from other teachings 1 Peter 2:2 and Isaiah 66:12, John Crowder is misrepresenting the scriptures many Catholic Mystics when looking at this area refer to their heavenly mother (Mary) but this teaching can also be traced to the goddess Diana the many breasted god.

In 1 Peter 2:2 the since milk of the word are symbolic the milk of the word is basically Peter using an analogy in the natural new born babies cannot handle solid foods just as much as a new believe cannot understand the deep things of God a new believer is required to study the scriptures to grow mature into studying the deep things of God concerning their understanding of scripture Peter is saying that he does not expect believers to remain as they first were when they came to Christ, in contrast to Isaiah 66:12
For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees. 

This is in reference to Israel and the Salvation of the Jews that will occur in the future as the indication is in verse 18 of Issiah 66 "For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory." this scripture or any scripture does not promote the idea of lactation, the glory of the gentiles is Jesus Christ who is our savior to prove the Jews, this scripture has nothing to do with what John Crowder is suggesting here he is over spiritualizing in the context of the passage that has nothing to do with male lactation rather making a whole doctrine that is putting this scripture out of it context.

Album "Toking the ghost" - Mystical Powers

John Crowder "Lord, hear our prayer, Bi-locate us." "Lord, we want bi-location miracles. I wanna show up in multiple places at once." "Make many of me Lord, a clone army of ME!"

What is Bi-location?

Bilocation, or sometimes multilocation, is an alleged psychic or miraculous ability wherein an individual or object is located (or appears to be located) in two distinct places at the same time.

The concept has been used in a wide range of historical and philosophical systems, ranging from early Greek philosophy to modern religious stories, occultism and magic.

In the 17th century, persons accused of witchcraft were reported to appear in dreams and visions of witnesses. The trials at Bury St. Edmunds and Salem included this "spectral evidence" against defendants. Matthew Hopkins described the phenomenon in his book The Discovery of Witches.
The English occultist Aleister Crowley was reported by acquaintances to have the ability, even though he said he was not conscious of its happening at the time.[15]
Vladimir Lenin was seen in his Moscow Kremlin office digging through papers in October 1923 while he was critically ill in Gorki.[16] Another mystical story involved Soviet author Yevgeny Petrov served as inspiration for the film Envelope (2012) starring Kevin Spacey. Paranormal author Rodney Davies has written a book on the history of bilocation.[17]

The only person in the Bible who is able to be in multiple places at once is God.

God has his divine attributes for example God is omnipresence. No man or angel can be in two places at a time, only God is capable of such an act, with this common belief is more practiced in the occult and best left alone, it is clearly evident that Roman Catholics have been engaging in occult practices such as Astral Travel and speaking of their experiences with this practice on various websites around the internet..

Album "Toking the ghost" - Baby Jesus (More Blasphemy)
John Crowder says "(Pufff....) Here Ben, have a hit of Baby Jesus (Pufff, Pufff...)"

Apparently Crowder wants to roll the infant Jesus into a blunt and smoke him to get high.... He then proceeds to make toking noises as they pretend to pass around a joint.

John Crowder says "No crib for a bed, the little Lord Jesus laid down his sweet head, we huffed him right up..." "Hit me baby Jesus one more time..." "You can't just read the Word you gotta huff the word. The word must be made flesh. Huff the Baby Jesus."

After listening to much of the Album it does not take much discernment to realize that Crowders brand of Christianity is highly toxic. He spews out enough heretical nonsense to qualify for a cult leader of the year.

Those were just a few examples of statements from his album "Toking the Ghost".

John Crowder says "Faith Does Not Save You", the bible says it does.

In the video

"John Crowder teaches against Salvation by faith alone, he says that faith recognises reality is that Jesus Christ saves you, his grace saves you, faith does not create reality faith recognises and trusts, in that higher reality and it courses it to manifest in the earth, faith sees the reality of who God is and God has been for us even when we were sinners."

John Crowder here is promoting Catholic doctrine the reason why is that he states it is because Roman Catholicism teaches that salvation by faith alone is not spoken or taught anywhere in the Bible, contrary to what John Crowder teaches the scriptures teach to the contrary, the scriptures do teach that we are justified and saved by faith alone and not by works, scriptually there is a difference between faith and works because scripture teaches we are justified by faith.

The RCC will quote James 2:24, "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."

Before we can look at James we see that the bible does exclude works in order to receive salvation, the following scriptures teach us,

  1. Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
    Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"

    Rom. 5:1
    , "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;"

    Rom. 9:30
    , "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;"

    Rom. 10:4
    , "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

    Rom. 11:6
    , "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

    Gal. 2:16
    , "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."

    Gal. 2:21
    , I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.

    Gal. 3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."

    Gal. 3:24
    , "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."

    Eph. 2:8-9
    , "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. 9Not by works, lest any man should boast." 

    Phil. 3:9
    , "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."

These scriptures that are mentioned would refute the claims taught by John Crowder with in the video that if you base your salvation on faith then that is a work in it self, this is not true the bible teaches that we are made right by God through faith alone and not by faith and works.

It is faith in what Jesus did on the Cross that we have been justified by faith in what he did and so it is James who testified to this by saying in James 2:24, "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone." James is not going against the scriptures mentioned above or that would have been a contradiction, in context we read in James 2 Verses 14-26 that is taking about the relationship with regard to faith and works by saying  "What use is it, my brethren, if a man says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him?" (James 2:14). it is what the end result of faith is and where it leads we also have the aspect of faith that is put into practice, we having being saved are provoked by God to live obediently, faith is then shown by works as James shows us, James is not saying it by our works that makes us right before God this is to demonstrate that their is a faith that leads to salvation and their is faith that is dead, it is as demonstrated in the bible it does not teach anything of salvation being done on our part, James's emphasis is showing the difference between true faith and a faith that is based on a false foundation.

it is by this the Bible shows us evidently that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8–9).

John Crowder is teaching us another gospel, there are things with in John Crowder teaches us is true, the problem is he is mixing in error with the truth blaring the lines of distinction, this misrepresents the nature of what the gospel teaches, this is the trouble with John Crowder like most who are mixing Roman Catholic Mysticism they take people to the cross and then away from the gospel message into practices that are not prescribed in the word of God we should never be deceived in to thinking that doing much good in the world is a justification for overlooking error and by his participation with those who pervert the gospel can be seen in their very teachings and works.

An example of John Crowder promoting of A Roman Catholic Priest named Fr. Richard Rohr published in John Crowders Magazine,

Fr. Richard Rohr is a Roman Catholic Franciscan Friar and in good standing with the Vatican, he is ordained by the Roman Catholic Church and has devoted his life to contemplative prayer and meditation, he has worked on presentations with Cynthia Bourgeault, Joan Chittister, Shane Claiborne, James Finley, Laurence Freeman, Thomas Keating, Ronald Rolheiser, Jim Wallis, and the Dalai Lama.  

Fr. Richard Rohr is also s
upports the mission of homosexual advocacy groups, asserts that the Crucifixion of Jesus was not necessary for the redemption of mankind, Rohr has been notable for his support of homosexual causes, In 1996, Rohr presided over a ceremony for a lesbian couple, which has been referred to by a commentator as a "wedding", during one of his retreats.

In 2000, Rohr publically endorsed Soulforce, an initiative to use "relentless nonviolent resistance" to encourage Christian groups to accept homosexual people.Rohr's "wisdom lineage", those thinkers and movements that have influenced his own work, include the Bible of Nature and Creation; the Hebrew Scriptures interpreted by the Prophets; the Gospels, the Incarnation and Jesus; Paul as first Christian mystic; the Desert Fathers and Desert Mothers; the Patristic Period, particularly in the East; orthopraxy in much of Buddhism and Hinduism; non-dual thinkers of all religions; the early Franciscan theology of Bonaventure and Duns Scotus; the unique witness of mythology, poetry and art; the non-violent recovery of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr.; much of Carl Jung's teachings; Spiral Dynamics and Integral Theory; 12-Step spirituality/American pragmatism; and scientific evidence from the universe.


John Crowders influences can be very much reflected upon those who have lead John Crowder into his promotion and working along side people like Fr. Richard Rohr is a clear indication to Crowders background and influences it is very clear that what is being taught by Rohr is contrary to the teachings of scripture and John Crowder reflects on pro-homosexual campaigners and advocates who he would have no problem mingling with Buddhists and so on..  

John Crowder is one who we should never entertain to listen to we are warned in scripture Mark 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:.

Miguel Hayworth 2015