Wednesday, August 06, 2014

Arthur Roderick, Christian Education Europe, ACE and Teach caught up in a web of ecumenical deceit.



 



What led me to write this article was one of my major concerns for the direction TEACH had gone was its partnership to a predominant lead Roman Catholic ecumenical pro-life group SPUC back in 2011 in this I raised my concern to TEACH to address this issue the progressive level of entering into compromise has removed any scriptural integrity that TEACH has and in this I would recommend that no Christian parent subscribe to TEACH, it cannot be trusted in the way it is leading many parents right to the hands of the Imperialistic Roman Church.

This led me to contact its led principle is leading so many astray believing that they are some how promoting a bible based curriculum was no more to me than the demonstration of inconsistency and hypocrisy on the part of TEACH  "My previous e-mail concerning a letter that was sent to all home schooled parents and ACE and Teach members the letter described wide support from varied organizations, but their was no details as what the organizations were, as far as I am concerned had been interpreted to mean by me that the organizations could be such as OASIS Trust (Pro same sex marriage and pro homosexual, Steve Chalke), Pioneer, the Evangelical Alliance, the WEA the World Evangelical Alliance, Lausanne to name a few, I was simply concerned at the direction that ACE and TEACH were taking a stance in being "Broad" or trying to somehow receive more funding and this wide support as refereed by you such as SPUC who are partnered with the RCC, also SPUC is led by Catholics, Muslims, protestants and non-Christians, the reason for its ecumenism is because their are Catholics and non-Catholics who work together, quote "John Smeaton, the head of The Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, has written another blinding post on his blog supporting the Catholic Church's stance on contraception. " http://spuc-director.blogspot.com/"

Arthur Roderick stated " "The numbers, we hope, belie the marginalization of Christian opinion within the establishment – and sadly the churches as evinced by their theological college policies.  The hope, I think, that Arthur had was that we may yet be able, by linking with those of like minds, do something about the paradigm of the society in which we are living in which the gospel cannot be heard by those whom we would reach."

I had found Arthur's statement to be ambiguous here, their are plenty of Christian churches by their Theological Policies who TEACH can have no problems with simply because the basic outline of TEACH is you are not just a Christian run organization but you are also a business and are their to sell a product the values on that I found in your mission statement this has left me in no doubts, but the area of broadening your support is a concern and the reason why is simply because I believe 90% of Churches in this country are fallen into Post Modernism, Emergent/Emerging church philosophy, Gnostic Teaching, Montanism, Docetism, Supersesationism, Replacemtism and also that is associated with Rome or Freemasonry such as Norman Vincent Peale, the C of E and the Salvation Army as I have written a story for the English Churchman as I am associated with the chief editor my article is on page 2 http://www.firstplumbline.net/7812.pdf slight correction William Bramwell booth spoke out against masonry not his father William booth who received support from U.G.L.E united grand lodge of England.


I believe all this is relevant to you as people need to be encouraged to vet the organizations they are involved with in order to safeguard against deceit and corruption.

I always have stated I do believe in Biblical Separation when schismatic and serious error is occurred where a brother in Christ rejects correction if confronted with the scriptures, 1 Timothy 4:16 said this Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

It is very much like if we have wrong doctrine we are not building our foundations only on Christ but very much on anything else, it is kind of like going to a vet instead of a doctor in a hospital for surgery, and having a vet perform an operation rather then a doctor who has been trained and disciplined in his area of study.


TEACH state "One of the triumphs of the ACE program, I think, is that anyone who holds to the Bible as the authority for life and practice can use it and not be offended."

In my response to teach I stated I do like the principles in ACE and read its standards is for me one of the reasons for opting for this, I firmly believe if any offense is taken, it should only be a natural reaction people have as opposed to the person causing the offense the scriptures teach The Gospel is described as 1 Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Romans 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumbling stone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

These are natural offenses because they speak to the spirit that leads men to a everlasting relationship with Christ through the regeneration of the soul.

TEACH was on a slippery slope to Apostasy and leading many into Apostasy because of who they are working in partnership with.

This leads me to my next bit CRE, TEACH see's this as only a platform to advertise their event, but the inicial posters does not stipulate this fact, in stead it promotes the event but fails to tell you, that is is a mixture between Roman Catholics, Christian New-ager groups, Liberal Christians, Ecumenists etc.



July 25th 2014 I had received a poster of an event originating from TEACH it stipulates:

TEACH at CRE North 2014

TEACH will be at Christian Resources Exhibition North 2014 (in Manchester) on the 8th and 9th of October. We are pleased to invite you and your friends as our guests, saving you up to £6.00 per ticket. To find out more or to claim your ticket, please Email:
teach@christian-education.org.

About Christian Resources Exhibition:

So much to see and do
• Over 100 stands with everything needed to equip and empower your church or ministry
• Around 30 inspiring seminars 
• A full Arts Theatre programme
• Interviews and music from the Spotlight Stage
• Special sessions on how best to handle to music and AV in your Church

Get informed
Choose from inspiring seminars and workshops aimed at meeting the needs of the church today and tomorrow.

All seminars are led by gifted communicators who are experts in their field. 

Be enriched and entertained
Make the most of your time at CRE by soaking up music, theatre and entertainment in the Arts Theatre - or browse and choose from hundreds of books, CDs, DVDs, and gift ideas. 

Or just relax and meet with friends for coffee in the Spotlight Cafe.

To find out more, visit: 
http://www.creonline.co.uk/


So what is TEACH not telling you TEACH are failing to inform you that CRE is not actually bible based simply because the background of some of the people at CRE are wrapped up in controversy this includes the RC Bishop of Salford over the sexual Molestation of 50 Children at ST Bedes in Manchester, and other groups participating in CRE promoted by TEACH in their poster is Churches Together (CTE).

I had contacted TEACH and in stating:

Sent: 25 July 2014 23:47
To: Info
Subject: Re: FAO: Colin A. Slater and Arthur Rodrick.

 


Dear Arthur Rodrick and Colin A. Slater.

Since we last spoke I was concerned with your involvement with SPUC in 2012 as it is now led and Ran by the roman catholic church to whom you stated where evangelical, this agonizes me to say this and I do not want to but now that I received an e-mail from your organisation inviting my family to a Roman Catholic and ecumenical led event CRE, this is a big leap into ecumenical and interfaith christian groups, the RC Diocese of Salford, Bishop Brain and the message trust that has ties to the pro-homosexual, pro-same sex marriage, Steve chalke amongst other groups that are pushing catholic monastic and mystical practices, that you would wont me and my family to receive its influences from your involvement in such ecumenical, liberal and new age practices.

I feel really disillusioned by what exactly does TEACH represent as far as I can see is far from anything but biblical in deed and word.

Arthur you have given me no choice but to pull out from using anything remotely assisted with you or your ministry until you shown your self repentant, I am going to stop any direct debt payments to you and discard of all and any TEACH materials this has really given me no choice as I report all such ecumenical matters to the wider Christian world, as to what you are engaged with in this I do not really want to go ahead and feel that any such action should not be taken to give you a period of grace and I will expect an explanation and response within 5 working days from the date of this e-mail.

We know from scripture that
God's written word commands, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but expose them (Ephesians 5:11).

I can only assume your position is that the opportunity to minister outweighed the risk and that you fully intends to speak whatever God wants you to say.

and this what solomon did in the Bible when God instructed him not to go after other gods, yet Solomon compromised, was involved in child sacrifices, burned incense to the gods of Egypt.

Yet Solomon did a little compromise here and their, some times we all need to be reminded not to make the same mistake, like what TEACH is doing.

Stephen warns in acts 7:43.
“Yea, you took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which you made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.”
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I also note that God TV's ecumenical Jonathan Hulton will be at the CRE exhibition and so is TEACH

God TV is know for promoting transubstantiation that is deep rooted in Babylonian Mystersism, this should be enough to keep away and especially over their association with Todd Bentley, they have already made bad press, I would suggest that you cancel your prior engagement to CRE and any or all ecumenical groups with a statement to everyone you have e-mailed

The Scriptures also say

Matthew 24:24 "For false Christs and (A)false prophets will arise and will show great (B)signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even (C)the elect.

It is more than Just being careful, we should not even go their.

You cannot seperate the spirit of anti-christ in any ecumenical event to take the good from them.

I plead with you to run whilst you still can and turn from your ways and go back to Gods righteousness before you harm anyone in the Body spiritually.

If you do not pull out of this I have no alternative but to report this to numerous home educators we are in touch with and to the masses concerning any and all ecumenical issues.

In Christ

Miguel Hayworth
From: teach@christian-education.org ;
To: miguel_hayworth Subject: RE: FAO: Colin A. Slater and Arthur Rodrick. Sent: Mon, Jul 28, 2014 11:26:40 AM
 
I share all your concerns regarding ecumenism and false fellowship. I regard the opportunity to promote Christ and Godly education at CRE as similar to placing an advert in a newspaper. I have no restriction on speaking the truth as God would have me, and signed nothing to that effect. Most certainly there will be much that I will object to, but do not deem myself as having fellowship with them by using their services. With regard to the TV debate I recently had on Revelation TV the same applies, by the Grace of God I was able to present the gospel with no hindrance to the viewers. I signed nothing and only presented the Bible to whoever was listening. It was a home-schooler who kindly paid for and booked the stand for us at CRE and made this suggestion.
 
With regard to you severing contact with us, I sincerely hope that for the children’s sake you would not deprive them of a non-compromising curriculum that makes much of the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
For your prayer we are as you know dealing with much opposition from unbelievers in the press and social media. That’s because we support Biblical creation, and marriage is for one man and woman together with an acceptance that the Bible is the Word of God.
 
Kind Regards,

Arthur Roderick


My response to this and I have had no replay

Dear Arthur Rodrick.

I wish to thank you for responding to my e-mail with in the specified time, you stated "
I share all your concerns regarding ecumenism and false fellowship. I regard the opportunity to promote Christ and Godly education at CRE as similar to placing an advert in a newspaper." 

The point was by inviting the students to go and visit you are creating a stumbling block and no we cannot take it for granted that they automatically can discern what the new ecumenical strategy involves the new evangelistic program, transformational theology, the emergent church, spiritual dynamics (Christian Spirituality), spiritual formation doctrine, intercarnational mission, spiral dynamics, kingdom building etc

Some of this you may not be familiar with some of the things I have listed but I have had the exact same explanation from people running events back in 2008 during hope together led events, Amos 3:3 says Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

What you expressed showing mire concerns is not by demonstration the act of biblical separation this is simply like stating the ends justify the means the question is, does it?

We must have a high regard for doctrinal purity with regards to what it is we are actually mixing in with, your advert had sent the wrong message in simply by the implication of ambiguity you did not state any warning with regards to the CRE exhibition you simply called it Christian this can mean Roman Catholics etc

You also implied that the events a way of gathering information and for networking, you did not state that Tony Compolo who is one the supported people by CRE Exhibition is pro-homosexual and a left wing liberal in the Christian Camp.

You also did not state that one of CRE's emphasis is on its clear message of ecumenical evangelical-catholic unity that is the major point for CRE's events, 

You stated

"
I have no restriction on speaking the truth as God would have me, and signed nothing to that effect."
 
In my email to you I did state you would most likely state along the lines that "I can only assume your position is that the opportunity to minister outweighed the risk and that you fully intends to speak whatever God wants you to say."

Is exactly what I would expected from you what I have personally seen myself is so many are mixing the pot in this you are going to muddy the waters.

With regard to Revelation TV Howard Condor is a foul mouthed self righteous individual who has caused so much division in churches that...............e-mail exchanges and disputes between Jacob Parasch, Bob Mitchel (Shofar Ministries), Justin Peters, Alan Frankin, Pastor Cecil Andrews, the Late Doug Haris (Reachout trust), Mike Openhiemer, Phillip Powell etc and Rev TV itself over Rev TV's Apostasy in this I do not believe Rev TV is a suitable platform for any Christian.

You stated "
a home-schooler who kindly paid for and booked the stand for us at CRE and made this suggestion."

Is that home-schooler an ecumenist? As I have met some people who do use teach are openly ecumenical as there is no objection to what people do individually would show no objection from me the point it is matters what you do, you could have graciously said no to the lady and thanked her for her offer, there would be no objection from me if you were to use a secular setting in this to promote your ministry or business.

CRE is partly organized to increase roman catholic participation

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/christian.resources.exhibition.looks.to.increase.catholic.visitors/13287.htm

And you would show public and vocal objection to Catholicism and make it known during CRE that you do not support any unity with CRE itself or Roman Catholicism?


"The Christian Resources Exhibition is looking into how it can attract

more Catholic visitors throughout 2008."

"One million Roman Catholics in England and Wales attend church every week. This represents a significant proportion of Britain's churchgoers and we believe there is plenty for them to discover and benefit from at CRE," said Geoff Poulter of Bible Society, the new owners of CRE. "We are keen to develop the event as an ecumenical arena."


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The Event organisers say that CRE operates an ecumenical area this is my objection to Teach involvement or having anything to do with something so apostate that is leading evangelicals to the RCC, it is that irreverent about your intentions but it is more reverent what CRE's intentions have an underlining clear pro-roman catholic agenda in this you have accepted what CRE has set itself to do, this is not about promoting Christian groups but the agenda serves the purpose to bring us under the pontiff.

And you are taking the bate, as stated unless you pull out you will give me no real choice as by actions do not show any expressive opposition as you show by words.

..........I have a duty to demonstrate by example why I am confident that the Lord is opposed to whatever motives we may have, the waters becoming polluted nor by refusing them teach I am depriving them of any spiritual development as I explicate this in practice. I have never received any official documentation warning parents in any publication concerning the rise and moves of masses of protestants becoming roman Catholics and I had a personal former Palestinian evangelical friend of mine who converted from the Pentecostal church to the Catholic Church, I have witnessed Evangelicals in Stratford London with witnesses supporting the promoting of the Catholic Mass, I have witnessed Stratford Evangelicals taking the catholic mass who are from protestant churches during the duration of the Olympics, I have witnessed evangelical from protestant churches worshiping in the Salford Catholic Cathedral and I had been told the same things in 2008 you had in this e-mail to me.

I had even interviewed someone who described herself as Sister Ruth a missionary Catholic Nun.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0mkBo8wqkklist=UUWM34M8Fp74rVXJrLj2hQ6w

I also know you have other groups one that is led by a known Jesuit called David Willson (who was a lecturer at the
Mount Street Jesuit Centre London) who is the CEO for More Than Gold UK to name a few, there are Roman Catholic Operatives working in the evangelical church amongst us that is succeeding in bringing us home and I am sorry to say this but it is creeping in fast and so I avoid any form of contamination and warn others of what is happening, I have kept my word and will continue to but as stated if  you have not removed TEACH from CRE as I have reported on Hope Together for the past 25 hours on Hope 2014 and the Message trust, for a large global Christian Audience on Rapture Ready Radio and I cannot omit this from my live broadcasts, or the website or blogs I am giving you sufficient time to really reconsider this with a period of Grace but I am not going to wait till October after the event to report on such events as CRE in the UK.

I understand that you get “
opposition from unbelievers in the press and social media.
This is why I am very reluctant to do what the Lord is pressing on me, I simply cannot disobey his calling on my life, and so my contenting you warning you is showing grace, in some ways praise God if you move righteously you will be persecuted by the world, we know this is going to be more so in these end times, but you really do not want blood on your hands and so by the principle in Ephesians 5 and other area’s scripturally I have a duty to do so, it is ok if you want to ignore my words but do heed Gods warnings concerning spiritual patterns as we read in 2 Corinthians 6:17King James Version (KJV)

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
 Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Rome in my belief is spiritual Babylon and a Harlot.

The Lord will continue to protect you as long as you do not move in unrighteousness as we are in the Laodicea age I know you stand publically against Same Sex Marriage as I have done, and have partly an opposition group recently in London
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aWKvlf_uH0&list=UUWM34M8Fp74rVXJrLj2hQ6w

But we did stately clearly if your ecumenical or a catholic don’t join us as we did not want to send the wrong message.

...............On the other hand what you are doing is a slippery quick slope into compromise but you are in denial at this point but what you show to tolerate will be carried out in the next generation.

And so this presents a problem for us and the wider evangelical churches that I am in contact with across London, Oxford and Greater Manchester.

This is by no means a threatening letter as my desire is that I want to be able to say that TEACH has biblical principles on doctrinal purity and maintains all and any separation from that which is false in this I cannot unless you are willing to reconsider your position to CRE and any other area you have publicly promoted other groups.

I ask that you would earnestly be a berean in deed and thought and playfully recant and reconsider your position.

Much Love in Christ

Miguel Hayworth


I have had no reponce from Arther Rodrick or Teach, so what is teach exactly promoting in their advertisement of CRE apart from teach.
July 25th 2014 I had received a poster of an event originating from TEACH it stipulates:

TEACH at CRE North 2014

TEACH will be at Christian Resources Exhibition North 2014 (in Manchester) on the 8th and 9th of October. We are pleased to invite you and your friends as our guests, saving you up to £6.00 per ticket. To find out more or to claim your ticket, please Email:

teach@christian-education.org.

About Christian Resources Exhibition:

So much to see and do
• Over 100 stands with everything needed to equip and empower your church or ministry
• Around 30 inspiring seminars 
• A full Arts Theatre programme
• Interviews and music from the Spotlight Stage
• Special sessions on how best to handle to music and AV in your Church

Get informed
Choose from inspiring seminars and workshops aimed at meeting the needs of the church today and tomorrow.
(Does not say which ones and no warning or disclaimer)

All seminars are led by gifted communicators who are experts in their field.

Be enriched and entertained
Make the most of your time at CRE by soaking up music, theatre and entertainment in the Arts Theater - or browse and choose from hundreds of books, CDs, DVDs, and gift ideas. 

Or just relax and meet with friends for coffee in the Spotlight Cafe.

To find out more, visit: 
http://www.creonline.co.uk/


TEACH are not correcting the information after they had been informed that CRE does not represent Biblical Christianity, they are failing to inform you, CRE is not actually bible based and it is simply because the background of some of the people at CRE are wrapped up in controversy this includes the RC Bishop of Salford over the cover up of the sexual Molestation of 50 Children at ST Bedes in Manchester (This is not protecting our children it is irrespocible not to provide any warning), and other groups participating in CRE events promoted by TEACH and omits the fact that CRE is involved and promotes Churches Together (CTE) as one of the main groups.and teach says "All seminars are led by gifted communicators who are experts in their field."So which groups are gifted by the Spirit of Christ? Or is it that they are Gifted for pushing  unity with the RCC, in spite of common knowledge that so much evil surrounds Rome?

Arthur Rodrick and Teach is simply allowing people to come a listen to the following "gifted people".






Bishop Terence to cut the tape


The Roman Catholic Bishop of Salford, Terence Brain, will open CRE North on the 8th October at 10.00am. Born in Coventry in 1938, Bishop Brain was ordained to the priesthood in February 1964 and was ordained bishop in 1991 serving as an auxiliary in Birmingham before being installed as Bishop of Salford in 1997.

In 1995, Bishop Brain was appointed liaison bishop between the Catholic hierarchy and Her Majesty’s Prison Service. Until recently, the Bishop served as chair of CSAN (Caritas Social Action Network, the official agency of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales for domestic social action.


The Caritas network works for the most vulnerable people of society, providing support for families and children, the elderly, homeless, refugees, disabled people and prisoners.

The
Terence Brain, report proves that he had prior knowledge in 2009 when letters were sent to the bishop and simply did not respond to the allegations for two years of the 50 Children under his diocese that was sexually molested by catholic clergymen, it is appalling  that teach simply would not pull out of the CRE event as they are hosting the Catholic Bishop of Salford responsible for protecting its priests.

Bishop Terence Brain - 4 Unanswered Letters 1 Oct 2008 to 15 Jan 2009

18 Dean Head,
Littleborough
OL15 9LZ
1 October 2008
Open letter to the Right Reverend Terence Brain, Bishop of Salford
Dear Bishop Brain,
Laicisation of Salford Diocesan priests convicted of criminal offences against children and sentenced to serve a term of imprisonment of 12 months or more.
At the outset, I wish to emphasise that I would have preferred to have been able to raise the questions below in less public correspondence with you. However, I have, already, written several letters to you about related matters, since September 2007. You have replied to none of these, and I have, therefore, decided to make this letter available to others who may share my concerns about these matters.
o Will you be initiating the process of laicisation in the case of Father William Green, sentenced 1 October 2008?
o Have you initiated the process of laicisation in the case of Father Thomas Doherty, sentenced February 1998?
As a parent and a parishioner in the Diocese of Salford, I have been shocked to read reports, since January 2008 regarding sexual offences against children committed by Father William Green, who was until his arrest on 17 December 2007, the parish priest of the Holy Family Roman Catholic Church, Wigan. At the same time, I have been very heartened by the courage of victims and survivors in exposing Father Green’s crimes.
Father Green’s many offences of indecent assault and indecency with children are reported to have been committed between 1968 and 1987, whilst he was working at St Bedes College, Manchester (See http://www.wigantoday.net/wigannews/Priest-on-sex-abuse-charges.3996468.jp ; http://www.wigantoday.net/wigannews/Priest-on-38-boy-sex.4224679.jp and http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1063189_priest_admits_abuse ). These dates, appear to span a period starting five years prior to his ordination as a priest in April 1973 and continuing for at least 14 years after this.
In reference to these alarming events, I note the following:
  1. In November 2001, you and all the other Roman Catholic Bishops in England and Wales committed all Dioceses to full implementation of the recommendations made by Lord Nolan’s report A programme for action. Final report of the independent review on child protection in the Catholic Church in England and Wales, (available at http://www.bishop-accountability.org/resources/resource-files/reports/NolanReport.pdf);
  2. Lord Nolan’s recommendations included Recommendation 78,
If a bishop, priest or deacon is convicted of a criminal offence against children and is sentenced to serve a term of imprisonment of 12 months or more, then it would normally be right to initiate the process of laicisation. Failure to do so would need to be justified. Initiation of the process of laicisation may also be appropriate in other circumstances. (Nolan, 2001, 3.5.32, p44).
  1. In her report of July 2007, Safeguarding with Confidence, (available at http://www.cathcom.org/mysharedaccounts/cumberlege/report/Chapter2.asp?Section=2&FontSize=13 ) reviewing implementation of Lord Nolan’s recommendations, Baroness Cumberlege says that “there can be no going back to a pre Nolan mindset” and recommends that Bishops “… should publicly declare and renew their affirmation of the One Church approach to safeguarding children, young people and vulnerable adults through the promotion of a sustained and sustainable culture of constant vigilance.(P18);
  1. Pope Benedict XVI told you and others in Australia, on 18 July 2008,
I would like to pause to acknowledge the shame which we have all felt as a result of the sexual abuse of minors by some clergy … I am deeply sorry for the pain and suffering the victims have endured and I assure them that, as their pastor, I too share in their suffering. These misdeeds, which constitute so grave a betrayal of trust, deserve unequivocal condemnation.
having previously said on the plane to Sydney, “It must be clear, it was always clear from the first centuries that priesthood, to be a priest, is incompatible with this behaviour…” (See http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=8303 ).
5. There is a very significant difference between a priest’s laicisation and his being prevented from giving public ministry by a Bishop. (As you know, the latter does not change a priest’s Canonical status or standing within the Roman Catholic Church.)
Father Green was convicted at Manchester Crown Court in August 2008 of 27 criminal offences against children and sentenced this morning
(1 October 2008) to serve a term of imprisonment of 6 years. (See http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1069987_pervert_priest_jailed).
I might, therefore, have assumed that as Bishop of Salford, you will soon be initiating the process of laicisation in Father Green’s case. However, as far as I know, the people of the Diocese have never been informed whether or not Father Thomas Doherty, former parish priest of St Joseph’s in Todmorden has ever been laicized. You will recall that Father Doherty was, also, sentenced to 6 years imprisonment in 1998 for five offences
of indecency against a boy under 16 (For transcripts of contemporary newspaper reports, please see http://caads.blogspot.com/ ).
Consequently, I cannot, in conscience, leave the following questions unasked,
· Will you be initiating the process of laicisation in the case of Father Green?
· What is Father Doherty’s current Canonical status?
I look forward to reading your reply. Thank you.
Yours sincerely,
Philip Gilligan







18 Dean Head
Littleborough
OL15 9LZ
1 January 2009
Dear Bishop Brain,
I refer to my letter of 1 October 2008 (copy attached), and note that after three months you have, again, failed to respond to my enquiries in any way.
As a parishioner in the Diocese of Salford who makes financial contributions to it as a registered charity, I would have expected some response by now.
I need to know
1. Whether and how the policies which you have publicly announced that you will follow in relation to the protection and safeguarding of children and vulnerable adults have been and are, in fact, being followed in the Diocese of Salford?
2. Whether you have acted on your commitment, made in November 2001, to fully implement the recommendations of Lord Nolan’s 2001 report, A programme for action. Final report of the independent review on child protection in the Catholic Church in England and Wales?
3. Whether you have acted and/or will act in accordance with Recommendation 78 of A programme for action, in relation to Father Thomas Doherty and Father William Green?

4. Whether any of the financial contributions which I have made to the Diocese of Salford have been and / or are being used directly or indirectly to support Father Thomas Doherty?
I look forward to receiving your reply.

Yours sincerely,


Philip Gilligan

Copy to:
Paul Fry, Caseworker, Charity Commission, Harmsworth House13-15 Bouverie Street
London, EC4Y 8DP


18 Dean Head,
Littleborough
OL15 9LZ
8 January 2009
Dear Bishop Brain,
Thomas Doherty and William Green – Laicisation, etc.
Further to my unanswered letters to you of 1 October 2008 and 1 January 2009 (see copies below), I have been advised by Isabel de Bertodano, Home News Editor of The Tablet that she spoke to Fr O’Sullivan about these matters on 6 January 2009. She reports
I spoke to Barry O'Sullivan at the child protection commission and he says that Doherty has effectively been laicised - he's banned from ministry and from using his clerical title or dress. He's renting a house from the diocese but is apparently using his pension and sick benefit (he has cancer) to do that - he doesn't receive diocesan money. Green has been asked by the vicar general to apply for laicisation and has agreed to do so. Fr O'Sullivan also told me that the Charity Commission had been to visit the diocese and had raised the matter of your complaint and had gone away satisfied that all was in order.
In light of this, I wish to make the following observations and to pose several questions to you.
1. I very much welcome the news that "Green has been asked by the vicar general to apply for laicisation and has agreed to do so." At the same time, I find it remarkable that as a parishioner in the diocese who has asked you for information about this matter, I have obtained it only thanks to the intervention of a journalist. Have you also given this important information to Green’s victims and former parishioners?
2. I note that Doherty has not, in fact, been laicised and, therefore, retains his canonical status as a priest. Have his former parishioners been made aware of this? Since Doherty’s conviction in 1998, has the vicar general or anyone else ever asked him to apply for laicisation?
3. I note that in Doherty’s case, at least, the diocese appears not to have followed recommendation 78 of A programme for action. Final report of the independent review on child protection in the Catholic Church in England and Wales, despite the announcements made in 2001 and since. Are you, in fact, committed to implementing the recommendations of A programme for action?
4. I note that Doherty is reported by Fr O’Sullivan to be “renting a house from the diocese”. In light of this, as a parishioner making financial contributions to the Diocese of Salford, I need to ask, whether Doherty is paying a ‘market’ rent set according to the value of this property or a ‘nominal’ rent with the result that his housing costs are being effectively subsidised by the diocese and by the voluntary contributions made to it by parishioners such as myself?
5. On 7 January 2009, I was advised by Iain Hewitt, Head of Special Investigations at the Charity Commission that he will endeavour to provide me with a response as soon as possible in relation to the matters I have raised with them. From this, I assume that their investigations are, in fact, not yet completed.
Yours sincerely,
Philip Gilligan

18 Dean Head,
Littleborough
OL15 9LZ
15 January 2009

Dear Bishop Brain or representative,

Unanswered questions about Thomas Doherty, former parish priest of St Joseph’s, Todmorden, sentenced in 1998 to 6 years imprisonment for five offences of indecency against a boy under 16 (For transcripts of contemporary newspaper reports, please see http://caads.blogspot.com/ ). 
 
Subsequent to my letters and e-mails of 1 October 2008 and 1 and 8 January 2009, I have, now, received some helpful information from Fr Paul Hayward, Editor of Canon Law Abstracts. 

I wrote to Fr Hayward seeking clarification of the content of what Isabel de Bertodano, Home News Editor of The Tablet reported Fr Barry O’Sullivan as telling her on 6 January 2009, i.e.that Doherty has effectively been laicised - he's banned from ministry and from using his clerical title or dress.
Yesterday (14 January 2009), Fr Hayward advised me, in writing, as follows,

“Perhaps the first point to make is that there is no such thing in canon law as “laicisation”. The laity have their own status, vocation and mission in the Church, with the rights and duties set out in canons 224-231 of the Code of Canon Law, and it is inappropriate (and demeaning to the laity) to think that the lay status could in any way be regarded as a “penalty” for a priest who has failed in his own duties. 

Canon 290 makes it clear that sacred ordination validly received never becomes invalid: once a priest, always a priest. A priest can however be penalised with dismissal from the “clerical state”, which according to canon 292 means that he loses the rights proper to that state and is no longer bound by its obligations (although he is still bound to celibacy); he is also prohibited from exercising the power of order, so that he can’t carry out any priestly functions (save in the exceptional situation of a person in danger of death needing to receive absolution).

So the term “effectively laicised” doesn’t really have any meaning. It would be better to use more accurate terminology, and it is understandable that it has caused you confusion.”

From this and from the fact that Fr O’Sullivan used a term which Fr Hayward views as not really having any meaning, I am left to conclude, 

1. That Doherty has not, in fact, been dismissed from the “clerical state”, according to canon 292 2. That Doherty has never been ‘laicised’ as would have been expected if you had acted on your declared commitment of November 2001 to implement the recommendations of the Nolan Report / A programme for action, in full.

3. That Doherty’s former parishioners and others in the diocese urgently need to be disabused (preferably by you or your representatives in a clear and open manner) of their mistaken belief that Doherty is no longer a priest. 

I hope that Fr O’Sullivan was not intending to obscure the situation regarding Doherty’s clerical state when he spoke to Isabel de Bertodano, last week, and that you or your representative will, now, wish to clarify whether Doherty has or has not been dismissed from the clerical state. (I do not understand what Fr O’Sullivan meant when he said of Doherty, “he's banned from ministry”? Does this mean ‘public’ ministry or all ministry? Is he, for example, allowed to celebrate mass, in private?) 

As always, I look forward to reading your comments on this matter and hope that on this occasion you will answer my queries.

Yours sincerely,
Philip Gilligan

http://caads.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/bishop-terence-brain-4-unanswered.html

To this date their is still no responses on this ongoing case, the allegations of sexual abuse of Children by Catholic Priests is still problematic to this day.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/catholic-priest-abuse-claims-hundreds-6383922

http://scepticalthoughts.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/st-bedes-college-governors-resign-over.html


The following report says
Bishop Brain said: “I am shocked and saddened by the complaints from some former pupils of St Bede’s College which have been brought to the attention of our Safeguarding Commission.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/church-says-sorry-over-st-856239

Why after two years the Bishop was quiet as if the news came as a surprise after the whole ordeal got exposed, the RCC has failed so many times on matters of faith contradicting the Bible, covered up for its crimes past and present this then leads me to ask the question why would teach make a statement
"All seminars are led by gifted communicators who are experts in their field. without looking at the implications, why are they encouraging teach members to simply explore?


It would seem contradictory of their general statement on CEE's website:


"“I am much afraid that the schools will prove the very gates of hell unless they diligently labour in explaining the Holy Scriptures …I advise no one to place his child where the Scriptures do not reign paramount”."

http://www.christian-education.org/about/who-we-are/statement-of-faith/


Is this actually a true statement we read in Matthew 7:16 by there fruits, their is no doubt that the are deceitful dealings in CRE and the root is corrupted how can TEACH expect to get any good fruit from such apostates and emissaries of Satan's greatest masterpiece Roman Catholicism? Even for CEE to retain its statement "I advise no one to place his child where the Scriptures do not reign paramount.

Why ask families to come along including their children to an event like this, when this is not a godly thing to do no matter if some paid for them to have a stall at CRE, priciple of truth is more important than pleasing men who we do not wish to offend.

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