The UK's Biggest Apostacy
Matt Willson working along Side Andy Hawthorne of the Message Trust are linked in with Ecumenicalists and Interfaith Projects, here are many resons why Hope08 is Apostate.
Andy Hawthorne, Blush, LZ7, Tim Owen and Matt Wilson are all heavily involved with Soul Survivor North this week. Please pray for inspiration and lots of fruit.
Let us examin Hope 2008
What is Hope 2008 ?
Hope 08 states:
"By the end of November 2007 churches and Christians in over 1080 villages towns or cities across the UK had registered to express interest in taking part in HOPE 2008 initiatives in their community.
We expect these numbers to continue to rise whilst those who have registered will be finalising their plans. We have already heard many encouraging stories from locations across the UK of people being trained and even employed to facilitate the mission which our churches are going to engage in during 2008 and beyond."
Quote "Consequently, Hope08’s Board of Reference reads like an ecumenical Who’s Who and includes Dr Rowan Williams, Cardinal Cormac Murphy O’Connor and Rev David Coffey, alongside MPs Stephen Timms, Caroline Spelman and Steve Webb, representing the three main political parties."
(Added comment: The Fact is Hope 08 is merely an exercise in Interfaith and Ecumenism, it is estimated that well over 2,000 churches have committed to this interfaith ecumenical project including Catholic Churches, Anglican churches, even to the point of involving Moslems.
By engaging in this churches are prostituting themselves and teaching another gospel, as the Scripture says, "which is no gospel." So many are on a diet of Sugar and few really know what is behind it. They are harbouring a delusion having their ears tickled, the majority having no interest in sound biblical instruction.
When this fails, what else will they bring to further defile the body of Christ?)
The Vision of Hope 2008
Churches across the United Kingdom are constantly at work serving and communicating with 58 Million residents and many visitors to the United Kingdom. 'Hope' proposes to support this work, by facilitating intensified, united, focused prayer and a year of activities, communicating the Gospel through words and actions, creating a lasting legacy of both physical and spiritual change in the lives of communities and individuals.
(Added comment: This will lead the UK to a one world religion view that all faiths can serve a common purpose, this is a gospel that is not in accordance with the Bible but is another gospel.)
Supporting Local Churches
across the UK in their commitment to serve and witness to their communities Encouraging Collaboration between churches and agencies in reaching out to their communities.
What dose Collaboration mean ?
(Added comment: The term Collaboration is a business term in fact it is often used in psychology, according to psychologists collaboration means to partner for a common goal to overlook fundamental, and irreconcilable differences, working together and accepting each other's differences for the sake of a common goal. It also means that there  is a structured, recursive process where two or more people work together toward a common goal.
Typically an intellectual endeavour that is creative in nature by sharing knowledge, learning and building consensus. "collaboration" implies more or less equal partners who work together  the online Britannica says "to cooperate with or willingly assist an enemy of one's country and especially an occupying force", for example Islam is an enemy of the Cross and yet we, the so-called body of Christ, want to co-operate with our enemies. Islam is a occupying force.
The Qu'ran speaks of Christians, here are some Suras from the Quran, Sura 9:30 - Quote "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!"
Quran 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful".
The fact of the matter is Islam teaches killing, bloodshed and conquest in the furtherance of Islamic interests. Any involvement by Moslems is to try and convert Christians to their perverse faith, their prophet known as Muhammad and to their demon god they call Allah.)
Resourcing and Training
local churches to develop their ability to engage with their communities on a long term basis. Impacting Individuals and Communities with the Gospel through words and actions during 2008.
(Added comment: Christians need to relies the world hates Jesus Christ, there is nothing we can do that will change that, yet we are willing to become friends with the world.
James 4:4 KJV "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God."
The Emerging Church
 Creating Church in the Emerging Culture
If you’re thinking about mission and possibility of starting a new expression of church you may be feeling a mixture of excitement and anticipation. Alongside this, the reality check kicks in as you realise how hard it is to start something new.
ReSource trains people with a vision to engage in mission within the emerging culture. It’s a yearlong course helping you develop and apply skills for your context and reflect creatively on the outcomes. Resource will:
• Equip you to create church in the emerging culture
•Develop mission strategies for your specific context
•Explore and apply skills in leadership and discipleship
•Develop your capacity for spiritual and personal growth
The year is based around the 5 ReSource weekends held in different locations around the country. These include training, coaching, worship and teaching. New for 2007/8 is an accredited training option.
“So many of the radical ideas are coming from the younger leaders who currently don't have the training, skills or clout to bring their dreams into reality. That's where ReSource comes in. I feel like if God gives me a vision now I've got the basic strategy tools as well as relationships with wise old heads to go for it.”
The Goverment Support.
 Why Government support is so welcome
The support for HOPE by a major Government department such as DCLG is a great accolade for all who plan to take an active part in initiatives as part of HOPE during 2008.
One of the additional benefits is that this should give us greater confidence to approach Local Government agencies (particularly at a Borough, District, County or Unitary level) in our villages, towns and cities for assistance as we make our plans.
In some cases there may be funding available for activities that provide practical benefit to our communities.
In others we may wish to obtain support as we plan public events in our locality.
HOPE receives Government approval
"I consider HOPE 2008 to be a valued partner of Government and a true example of what can be
dclglogo accomplished when we all work together towards a shared goal. The values and traditions which motivate those of a Christian faith to serve their fellow citizens are clearly evident in the themes of HOPE2008"
Parmjit Dhanda MP - Cohesion Minister
Department for Communities and Local Government
Check out the full quote
Christian Bands, Churches & Organisations involved with "Hope 08"
This List will be updated throughout the year.
Christ Church, Orton Goldhay
thebandwithnoname Ecumenical (Compromisers)
Gleam of Dawn
Churches involved and Churches Supporting.
Bury Christian Fellowship
Salford Elim Church
Walkden Congregational Church
Body of Christ International Ministry (BCIM)
Stockport Centre Church
New Testament of God
World Harvest Bible Church
Kingdom Faith Church
King's Church Manchester
King's Church Loughborough
South Manchester Family Church (AKA new frontiers - Terry Virgo)
Milnrow Family Church
Ivy Cottage, Manchester
The Bridge Church, Bolton
Langworthy Community Church
New Wine Networks
Windsor Church, Salford
Linden Christian Centre,West Cross
Wythenshawe Community Church
Bethesda Church, Bury
Mottram Evangelical and Hattersley Community Churches
Silver Street Christian Fellowship, Rochdale
Group of friends in Moss Side area
Army of Christ Prayer Group
Kings Way Church
New Life Church
Champness Hall, Rochdale
Claremont Church, Bolton
Victory Outreach Manchester
Elim Churches (Oldham and Glossop)
Northgate Church, Chester
King's Way Church, Sale
New Harvest Church, Salford (AKA New Harvest Christian Fellowship)
Firwood Church Middleton
Harpurhey Community Church
Hebron Pentecostal Church
Good News Assembly, Salford
His Divine Power, Christian Centre, Ancoats
Faithworks Church, Failsworth
Bramwell Christian Fellowship
City on a Hill Church
Holy Trinity Stalybridge
Manchester City Chapel
New Life Community Church
New Testament Church of God
West Street Christian Fellowship
Airport Church; Blakelaw, Newcastle upon Tyne.
All Nations Church; Middlesbrough
Bethesda Community Church
St Agnes Church, Longsight
St Paul's, Kersal Moor, Salford
St. Bride's Church, Trafford
St Mark's Bredbury
St Mary and St Cuthbert, Cheadle
St Mary Magdalene Ashton-on-Mersey
St Peter's Blackley
The Albans Church, West Timperley
St Chad's, Romiley
St. Margaret's CE, Burnage
Christ Church, Pennington
Christ Church, Harpurhey
St. Mary-in-Charnwood, Nanpantan
St. Stephen's Church, Netherthorpe
St. Mark's Church, Gillingham
St. John's Church, Kenilworth
St John, Mossley
St Andrew's Church, Burgess Hill
The Diocese of Peterborough
St Andrew's Church, Congresbury
St. Peter's Parish Church, Milton
St James and Emmanuel, Didsbury
St Augustine, Tonge Moor, Bolton
All Saints C of E
Christ Church C of E
St Andrew's C of E
St John's C of E
St Mary's C of E - Nantwich
St Matthew's C of E - Haslington
St Michael's C of E - Crewe Green
St Peter's C of E
Diocese of Exeter
All Saints Church Preston on Tees; Eaglescliffe
All Saints, Marple
All Hallows, Cheadle
Christ Church Pennington
All Saints, Paston
All Saints, Peterborough
All Saints, Sawtry
St. Luke's Parish Church, Orton Goldhay, Peterborough
Good Shepherd RC Convent
St Mary's Roman Catholic Church, Crewe
Roman Catholic Diocese of Plymouth
Saint Thomas More RC Church
Corpus Christi, Parish Headington
Disley Baptist Church
Altrincham Baptist Church
Lymm Baptist Church
Gillingham Baptist Church
Beeston Baptist Church
Heywood Baptist Church
Cutgate Baptist Church
Chelwood Baptist Church
Levenshulme Baptist Church, Levenshulme
Union Street Baptist Church
South West Baptist Association
Beacon Lough Baptist Church; Gateshead
Bretton Baptist Church
Cottingham Methodist Church, Huddersfield
Wonford Methodist Church, Exeter
The Methodist Church Plymouth and Exeter District
Evesham Methodist Church
Altrincham Methodist Church
Macclesfield Methodist Church
West Houghton Methodist Church
Wigan Methodist Circuit
Bollington Methodist Church
Blackley Methodist Circuit
Moston Methodist Church
Bolton Methodist Circuit
Ainsworth Methodist Church, Bolton
Marple Methodist church
Coppenhall Methodist Church
Hightown Methodist Church
Hough Methodist Chapel
Minshull New Road Methodist Church
St John's Methodist Church, Shavington
St Mark's Methodist Church
St Stephen's Methodist Church
Wells Green Methodist Church
Barnard Castle Methodist Church
The Pool, Calderdale
Stockport Salvation Army
Wigan Salvation Army
Atherton Salvation Army
Openshaw Salvation Army
Northern Moor Churches Together
Bolton South Salvation Army
Sale Salvation Army
Salvation Army Rochdale
Oldham Citadel Salvation Army
Salvation Army, Crew
The Salvation Army South Western Division
ACEA (African and Caribbean Evangelical Alliance)
Assemblies Of God
Associated Bus Ministries
Aylesbury Church Network
Barnabas in Churches
Big Blue Box
Bolton Methodist Circuit
Book of Hope
BRF (Bible Reading Fellowship)
BT Christian Network
Care For The Family
Command Prayer Centre
Centre for Contemporary Ministry
Christian Enquiry Agency
Christian Music Ministries
Christian Solidarity Worldwide
Christian Vision for Men
Christian Workplace Forum
Christians Against Poverty
Christians in Entertainment
Church Action on Poverty
Church of England (Afilitated with Freemasonry)
Church of Scotland (Affiliated with Freemasonry)
Churches Criminal Justice Forum
Church of the Nazarene (Nationally)
Churches Together (Ecumenical Movement) Community
Churches Together, North Manchester
Churches Together Helifax
Glasgow Churches Together
Churches Together in Macclesfield
Impact, Grantham, (local partnership between Lincolnshire Police and Grantham Churches Together)
Crime to Christ
Non Listed at present.
Evangelical Alliance - Northern Ireland
Evangelical Alliance - Scotland
Evangelical Alliance - Wales
Every Home for Christ UK
Farm Crisis Network
Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship International in Salford
Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship International in M'Cr
GEAR (Grp for Evangelism And Renewal in URC)
Gobaith i Gymru
Good Life Bookshop
Gospel Ministries Trust
Group for Evangelisation (Churches Together)
Hope37 Youth Trust
Luis Palau Association
Livesimply (Roman Catholic)
Manchester Met Christian Union
Manchester City Mission
Nationwide Christian Trust
New Generation Ministries
New Life Publishing
Nazarene Bible College
Operation Mobilisation (UK)
Outlook-Trust (Reaching Seniors for Christ)
Pilgrim Hearts Trust
Pregnancy Crisis Centre
Plymouth & Exeter Methodist District
Purpose Driven UK Ltd
Non Listed at present.
Raw Nerve Theatre Company
Reachout Trust (Doug Harris)
Redeeming Our Communities
Rhema Theatre Company
Riding Lights Theatre Company
Refiners Christian Ministry
Salt + Light
Salt Cellar, Oldham
St Augustine's Assylum Centre
Salvation Army (Scotland) Afilitated with Freemasonry
Salvation Army (UK + Ireland) Afilitated with Freemasonry
Schools Prayer Network
Send The Light - Wesley Owen
Serious 4 God
Shine UK (Affiliation of churches in St. Helens)
Soul In The City (London)
Soul Action (Initiative of Tearfund & Soul Survivor)
South West Youth Ministries
Springs Dance Company
Student Christian Movement
Stockport Christians in Schools Trust
The Church Army
The Congregational Federation
The Fellowship of Churches of Christ in GB + Irela
The Girls Brigade, England and Wales
The Message Trust
The Philo Trust
The UK Bible Society
Through Faith Missions
Through the roof
Together for the Harvest
Together in Mission
United Christian Broadcasters
United Reformed Church
York Schools Youth Trust (Aka Yo-Yo Trust)
World Prayer Centre
Whightchurches Network, Isle of Wight (information exchange for Churches and Christians on the Isle of Wight)
Ecumenical Andy Hawthorne - One of the founders of Hope 2008.
Who is he, Andy is the Director of The Message Trust - which has birthed The Tribe; EDEN; the Xcelerate evangelist training school; Andy is also a popular conference speaker at Spring Harvest, Soul Survivor, New Wine, Stoneleigh, Easter People and many more.
Their aim was to "to communicate the gospel to young people in Greater Manchester". They were part of the Christian charity, "The Message", which is famous for its Eden projects in Manchester.
Mike Pilavachi - Ecumenical organization (Soul Survivors) one of the founders of Hope 2008.
Who are the spiritual heroes that have particularly influenced you most ?
Roy Crowne (Youth For Christ) - Ecumenical, Inter-faith one of the founders of Hope 2008.
About Youth for Christ.
British Youth for Christ was started in 1946 by Compromiser and apostate Dr Billy Graham, they have almost 60 local centres across the country – from the Shetlands in the north of Scotland, down to the Isle of Wight, and across to Wales.
Leaders of Hope 08
Steve Clifford of Pioneer - Ecumenical one of the Leaders of Hope 2008.
Pioneer is known as the National Churches Forum, the National Churches Forum is “Connecting, releasing and resourcing teams and churches for building strong vibrant communities of faith to reach the nations.”
March for Jesus failed just as the Jim Challenge did.
"Steve Clifford, Chair of Hope 2008, says: ‘HOPE ’08 is so grateful to the Christian Enquiry Agency and to Church Army for rising to the challenge of providing a quality, credible site where those of no or little faith can explore HOPE. It’s such a brilliant theme and we can, with confidence, direct people to this site so they have an opportunity to explore it.’
Another dimension of the project is a letter going to residents of 3,000 households across the nation living on ‘Hope Street’. David Coleman of Church Army explains: ‘What better way for us to try to connect with people on the theme of hope than to engage the thousands of people who live on Hope Streets across the country in conversation - asking them what their hopes are.’ Responses will be posted on the website and so form part of the ongoing conversation."
|Ian Chisnall the Coordinator of 'Hope 2008' - Ecumenical one of the Leaders of Hope 2008. |
Also Mission & Unity Coordinator / Ecumenical Officer at Churches Together in Sussex and has 58 connections.
Paul Bayes National Mission & Evangelism Adviser, Archbishops' Council - Ecumenical one of the Leaders of Hope 2008.
told the conference that the report suggests that "our society is changing rapidly and we need to review the way we ‘do church’."
As his partner The Revd Steve Pittis, Diocesan Director of Faith Development, said:
Matt Bird of Make It Happen UK - Ecumenical one of the Leaders of Hope 2008.
Sorry No information available.
Eustace Constance of Southwark Street Pastors. - Ecumenical one of the Leaders of Hope 2008.
( these people mix truth with error, Yet Jesus said the world will hate you because of me.)
Rob Cotton of Bible Society - Ecumenical one of the Leaders of Hope 2008.
Sorry No information available.
Sarah Davis of Youth For Christ - Ecumenical, Inter-faith one of the Leaders of Hope 2008.
Sarah Davis of Youth for Christ (YFC) says, 'Why not use sport to reach people with the love of Jesus where they're at? If you love sport you can join a team and play regularly with other people. As you chat to someone about Jesus, kicking a ball about can take some of the pressure and formality out of that kind of conversation'.
Jane Holloway of the World Prayer Centre (Birmingham) - one of the Leaders of Hope 2008.
The World Prayer Centre is part of the new thing that God is doing around the world. As the Church begins to strategise and think globally, so we must pray globally.
Martin Kavanagh, of the World Harvest Bible Church - One of the Leaders of Hope 2008.
World Harvest Bible Church associated wth Rhema Bible Training Centre this is ran by Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Word of Faith.
Ali Martin of Soul Survivor - One of the Leaders of Hope 2008.
Sorry No information available.
Laurence Singlehurst of Cell UK - Ecumenical, Inter-faith one of the Leaders of Hope 2008.
Initiated by Laurence Singlehurst in partnership with YWAM, Cell UK Ministries and supported by Lynn Green - Youth With A Mission, Rev. John S Smith - UK, Director of Evangelical Alliance, Gerald Coates - Pioneer, Roger Ellis - Revelation Church and Fusion, and Matt Bird MBA - Director of Joshua Generation.
Laurence Singlehurst: is a YWAMer and also Director of Cell UK Ministries. His particular passion is equipping churches in how to reach their communities with an emphasis on network evangelism which is empowered by cell church structures. He’s also the author of: "Evangelism Toolkit", "Sowing Reaping Keeping", "Loving the Lost—the principles and practice of Cell Church", "Beyond the Clouds"; co-author of "Cell It" and "Evangelism Through Cells".
He is married to Ailish and has three children: Kiera, Justyn and Laura.
Board of Reference
Rt Hon Stephen Timms MP, Chief Secretary to HM Treasury.
Stephen Timms was appointed Minister for Competitiveness in June 2007 at the newly formed Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform.
His portfolio includes key business sectors, including the construction industry.
Stephen entered Parliament in 1994 as MP for Newham North East, and has been MP for East Ham since 1997. Before entering Parliament he worked in the telecommunications industry for 15 years, first for Logica and then for Ovum.
He will speak at the start of the day, outlining the government's view of the industry and its future development, as well as setting out . His comments are sure to spark debate during the day.
Caroline Spelman MP, Shadow Communities & Local Government.
Caroline is a former commercial negotiator specialising in purchase contracts for the food and pharmaceutical industries and a broker of commercial disputes. She was Deputy Director of International Confederation of Sugar Producers (CIBE) from 1984-89 and Administrative Secretary to the Sugar Beet Committee of the NFU of England and Wales from 1980-84.
Steve Webb MP, Health Spokesman.
Webb was born in West Bromwich on 18 July 1965 to Brian and Patricia Webb, and attended the local comprehensive school (Dartmouth High School), before going on to study Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at Hertford College, Oxford. At the age of twenty-one he left university to work at the Institute for Fiscal Studies in London, where he specialised in researching into poverty, taxes and benefits. In 1995, he became a Professor of Social Policy at the University of Bath.
MP for Northavon 1997-
Lib Dem Spokesman on Work & Pensions 1999-2005
Lib Dem Spokesman on Health 2005-06
Lib Dem Manifesto Group Chair 2006-07
Lib Dem Spokesman on the Environment, Energy, Food and Rural Affairs 2007-
After the election of Nick Clegg MP to Lib Dem party leader in December 2007, he became the party's Shadow Secretary of State for the Environment, Energy, Food and Rural Affairs.
Board of Reference
|Matt Baggott, Chief Constable of Leicestershire & Association of Chief Police Officers. |
Matt Baggott joined the Leicestershire Constabulary on promotion to Chief Constable in December 2002.
He is the Second Vice President of the Association of Chief Police Officers and leads on the delivery of neighbourhood policing and citizen focus.
Matt spent the first twenty years of his service in the Metropolitan Police, where his career was operationally focused in the inner city, notably Tooting, Brixton and Peckham. He also established a consultancy at Scotland Yard dealing predominantly with issues such as partnership, regeneration and inner city crime. For 18 months he was Staff Officer to the Commissioner, Sir Paul Condon.
Matt headed the Metropolitan Police team assisting the Stephen Lawrence Public Inquiry.
In June 1998 he became Assistant Chief Constable in the West Midlands Police with specific responsibility for policing diversity, crime and disorder, professional standards and criminal justice.
During this time he assisted the Social Exclusion Unit in developing neighbourhood renewal, and oversaw for ACPO national approaches to hate crime and local strategic partnerships.
In November 2001 he was promoted to Deputy Chief Constable, and assisted the Home Office on the Priority Policing Area initiative.
Matt is a trustee of Crime Concern and Vice President of the National Association of Police Chaplains. He was awarded the Queen’s Police Medal in June 2004.
Lord John Stevens, former Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service.
Sir John has served for 42 years in the Police Service. He commenced his career in the Metropolitan Police where he was involved in a range of activities from leading successful murder enquiries and leadership of crime squads, commander of the busiest CID office in London to the hunt for a major spy (George Blake). During a second tour at Heathrow Airport as Detective Chief Superintendent he was responsible for the operation which used covert micro optics in both aircraft holds and handling bays, this resulted in the arrest of half of British Airways handlers in one operation. Extensive administration experience was gained in a two-year period as staff officer to the head of London CID.
Board of Reference
Most Rev Dr Rowan Williams,
‘Christians have to learn how to
The new Archbishop of Canterbury has
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Freemasons, many of whom are active members of the Church of England,
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The head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, His Eminence Cardinal Cormac Murphy O’Connor, Archbishop of Westminster - Opus Dei Supporter, Pro-Islam,
He said that he would not be on an Opus
However, when Mr Allen interviewed
Catholic Ordained a Roman
Doubleday Bible Commentary on 1 Corinthians by Cardinal JEROME MURPHY-O’CONNOR.
On the following web site [http://ebaf.op.org/wsw/en/connor.html]
Telegraph newspaper reported. Cardinal Murphy-O´Connor will be the first Catholic archbishop of Westminster
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Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor,
At the end of the meeting, it was agreed
might be able to offer from their experience of immigration and integration insights that could be of benefit to their "Muslim brothers and sisters."
Rev David Coffey, President of the
The letter from the Muslim scholars builds
(My comment "Yet the Qu'ran calls Christians Perverse." )
Sura 9:30 - Quote "And the Jews say:
Commissioner Elizabeth Matear, Interfaith, Moderator elect of Free Churches Group, Free Churches
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Rev Joel Edwards, General Director
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Rev Edwards has vast, multiple-level
Enjoying an accessibility and acceptability across the broad
Rev Nicky Gumbel, Alpha, Ecumenical
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Church Urban Fund Grants - Policy and Procedure
The Diocese of London now has grant-
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The Prince of Wales An Unholy Alliance ?
A Royal Reception
 During 2007, the Hope 2008 leadership team have been in conversation with The Prince of Wales’s office to arrange for him to meet a small group of people in the summer of 2008 who have been involved in the acts of kindness carried out by churches during May. Plans for a reception at Clarence House are still at an early stage but we expect to provide more information early in 2008.
Clearly the Hope 2008 organisers have arranged to go in with the world in Christ's name. This clearly undermines the message of the gospel itself and the work of the Holy Spirit. The bible says:
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: 'I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people. Therefore 'Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you."
This is having a bad association, as Matthew Henry put it,
"No one can know the things of God, but his Holy Spirit, who is one with the Father and the Son, and who makes known Divine mysteries to his church. This is most clear testimony, both to the real Godhead and the distinct person of the Holy Spirit. The apostles were not guided by worldly principles. They had the revelation of these things from the Spirit of God, and the saving impression of them from the same Spirit. These things they declared in plain, simple language, taught by the Holy Spirit, totally different from the affected oratory or enticing words of man's wisdom. The natural man, the wise man of the world, receives not the things of the Spirit of God. "
How can we recieve the world for the sake of Christ when the Bible said, James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
The fact that churches, and people who run and support "hope 08,"are, by association, de facto enemies of the cross. We cannot be in co-operation with the world and other religions that are in it we must be separate.
"Hope 08" being friends of the world, and in partnership and association with unbelievers, have lost the spiritual effectiveness that the churches once had. The wise and godly counsel of the Body of Christ is ignored in order, as they see it, "to make Christ acceptable to the world by doing away with our prejudices so that we may be effective for Christ."
People who wish to remain faithfull to Christ, are often told to accept the changes or there is no place for them in their fellowships. They disregard 1 Tim 3:16 because they do not want to appear to be offensive in any way.
When it comes to the purity of Truth, men cannot handle it, they in turn reject truth in order to please men, yet the definative truth is offensive to people.
Let's look at who Prince Charles is and it will be apparent after reading this that Charles is an Enemy of the Cross. The fact that "Hope 08" is willing to share the platform, co-oporate and accept Prince Charles amonst "Hope 08" does not leave it in good stead with God.
2 John 1:9 - 12 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
The Bible is crystal clear on the issue. These men do not have God, because they have not done what God has required and ignored sound doctrine for the things of the world.
 Prince Charles has done more than any other member of the Royal Family in history to understand Islam. He said in 1994 that when he became Supreme Governor of the Church of England, he would rather be "defender of faiths" than "defender of the faith".
He said he would rather be "defender of faiths" than "defender of the faith." This makes Prince Charles clearly an enemy of the Cross. Jesus said that there is only one way a man can enter into heaven. Prince Charles, by his own admission, has rejected the sovereinty of Christ. Islam teaches that "God has no son" and that Christians are perverse because Christians accept Jesus as deity. Read Sura Qur’an 9:30 basically It's perverse of Jews and Christians to say God has a son Like the infidels of old. God confound them!.
 "Prince Saving the World" Statue of Prince Charles Revealed 3/6/2002
Accepting the scale model of Mr Bentes' work the Prince said he was "amazed" and "deeply touched".
Explaining its significance, Tacantin's state governor Jose Wilson Sequeira Campos said: "It is Prince Charles saving the world".
This is Clear Blasphemy against Christ, there is only one saviour reconcuiling Man and God that is Christ Jesus.
On Islam and Charles Relationship to Islam.
Prince Charles (back C) and Camilla sit patiently during a Quranic lesson
(with chief Sheikh Mohammed Sayed Tantawi (L), at the Al Azhar Mosque, On tour of Egypt, this week. -AFP
 Is Prince Charles a Convert to Islam ?
November 9, 2003
In a 1997 Middle East Quarterly article titled "Prince Charles of Arabia," Ronni L. Gordon and David M. Stillman looked at evidence that Britain's Prince Charles might be a secret convert to Islam. They shifted through his public statements (defending Islamic law, praising the status of Muslim women, seeing in Islam a solution for Britain's ailments) and actions (setting up a panel of twelve "wise men" to advise him on Islamic religion and culture), then concluded that, "should Charles persist in his admiration of Islam and defamation of his own culture," his accession to the throne will indeed usher in a "different kind of monarchy."
All this comes to mind on reading an article titled "Charles Breaks Fast with the Faithful in Muscat" in today's Dubai-based Gulf News, which reports on some of Charles' activities during his current five-day visit to Oman:
He toured the Sultan Qaboos Grand Mosquest for almost two hours and "took keen interest in studying various sections at the mosque, including the main prayer hall." As his spokesman put it, "The Prince was particularly keen to come to the mosque today to see the fantastic building and remarkable architecture which Prince was fascinated with. The Prince has a great love for Islamic architecture and I can't think of finer example than this mosque."
He "spent a considerable time at an exhibition of Islamic calligraphy and held meetings with Sheikha Aisha Al Siaby, Head of Public Authority for Craft Industries and Taha Al Kisri, the Head of Omani Society for Fine Arts to discuss various aspects of Islamic art."
He "broke fast with a large congregation of people from different nationalities as he sat with folded legs on the floor in the open. He ate date and drank juice at the call of Iftar."
None of this, of course, is evidence that the Heir to the British Throne has changed religions, but his actions most certainly would be consistent with such a move, and especially the implication that he had kept the Ramadan fast. (November 9, 2003)
Charles with worry beads, Camilla with shawl.
Dec. 18, 2004 update: Prince Charles put himself in the middle of an Islamic theological issue that again could suggest his conversion to Islam – for if that is not the case, then on what basis does he opine on the Islamic law requiring that apostates from Islam be executed?
 Jonathan Petre of London's Daily Telegraph reports on a private summit of Christian and Muslim leaders at Clarence House on this topic sponsored earlier in December by the prince. Apparently, however, he did not get the results he hoped for, with one Christian participant indicating that Charles was "very, very unhappy" about its outcome. That may have been because the Muslims at the meeting resented his public involvement in this topic.
 July 14, 2005 update: And what does the good prince have to say about the murder by Islamists of 55 in London a week ago? He put fingers to keyboard and produced "True Muslims Must Root Out The Extremists" for the Mirror:
some deeply evil influence has been brought to bear on these impressionable young minds. … Some may think this cause is Islam. It is anything but. It is a perversion of traditional Islam. As I understand it, Islam preaches humanity, tolerance and a sense of community. … these acts have nothing to do with any true faith. … it is vital that everyone resists the temptation to condemn the Muslim community for the actions of such a tiny and evil minority. If we succumb to that temptation, the bombers will have achieved their aim. Likewise, in my view, it is the duty of every true Muslim to condemn these atrocities and root out those among them who preach and practise such hatred and bitterness.
Comment: This sounds to me like the same apologetics churned out by  the Muslim Council of Britain and other Islamist bodies.
Aug. 2, 2005 update: At the funeral of King Fahd in Riyadh, the Associated Press reports, "Non-Muslims were not allowed at the ceremonies." So far as I can tell, Charles did not attend the ceremonies. (There surely would have been a press uproar if he had.) We can conclude that whatever his inner faith, he is not presenting himself as a Muslim in public.
But  CNN reports RIYADH, Saudi Arabia -- Muslim leaders and Saudi princes have bid a final farewell to King Fahd before his body was buried in an unmarked grave in a desert cemetery in keeping with Saudi Arabia's austere Islamic tradition.
"The mourners stood, raising their arms and chanting "Allahu akbar," or "God is great" during a two-minute prayer.
Security was tight in the capital for the ceremonies, with large crowds of ordinary Saudis participating alongside monarchs, presidents and other dignitaries from the Arab world and other Islamic nations.
Western leaders and dignitaries, (including Britain's Prince Charles), French President Jacques Chirac and Australia's governor general were also offering condolences.
Sep. 4, 2005 update: Prince Charles revealed in a letter leaked to the Daily Telegraph that he had strained relations with
 George Carey, then archbishop of Canterbury, over his attitude toward Islam. Particularly contentious was his expressed intent, on becoming king and supreme governor of the Church of England, to ditch the centuries' old defender of the faith title and replace it with defender of faith and defender of the Divine. The letter reveals the archbishop's reaction.
"I wish you'd been there for the archbishop! Didn't really appreciate what I was getting at by talking about "the Divine" and felt that I had said far more about Islam than I did about Christianity - and was therefore worried about my development as a Christian."
According to royal aides, Charles did not much respect Lord Carey's views and the feelings were reciprocated.
Oct. 29, 2005 update:  "Prince Charles to plead Islam's cause to Bush" reads the Sunday Telegraph headline. The text by Andrew Alderson tells how the prince of Wales
Will try to persuade George W Bush and Americans of the merits of Islam this week because he thinks the United States has been too intolerant of the religion since September 11. The Prince, who leaves on Tuesday for an eight-day tour of the US, has voiced private concerns over America's "confrontational" approach to Muslim countries and its failure to appreciate Islam's strengths.
Apparently, he "wants Americans - including Mr Bush - to share his fondness for Islam."
Nov. 2, 2005 update: That Daily Telegraph cited in the previous update made the rounds, perhaps even to the White House. In any case, George W. Bush had a little zinger ready for the good prince in his welcome for  him and Camilla at the state dinner:
In the first part of the 20th century, our nations stood together to ensure that fascism did not prevail in Europe. In the second half of the 20th century, we worked tirelessly to defeat the totalitarian ideology of communism. And today we're fighting side by side against an ideology of hatred and intolerance to ensure that the 21st century will be one of liberty and "hope".
Charles did not reply to this comment, limiting his response to projects for the underprivileged and fond memories of Winston Churchill.
Nov. 3, 2005 update:  Ali Sina proposes a reason for Charles' attraction to Islam, suggesting that he may be tired of democracy: "Does he secretly envy the Islamic system of government where the rulers have absolute power and can even impose morality on their subjects?"
Nov. 13, 2005 update: Charles' efforts to promote Islam does his mother no good in Al-Qaeda's eyes. In a just-reviewed videotape, the organization's number two,  Ayman al- Zawahiri, calls Queen Elizabeth II "one of the severest enemies of Islam" and blames her for what he calls Britain's "crusader laws." In addition, he criticizes British Muslims who "work for the pleasure of Elizabeth, the head of the Church of England" and ridicules them for saying (his words, not theirs): "We are British citizens, subject to Britain's crusader laws, and we are proud of our submission . . . to Elizabeth, head of the Church of England."
Jan. 19, 2006 update: As patron of the  Festival of Muslim Cultures, which its  website describes as a national celebration of "the rich cultural and artistic expressions of the Muslim peoples," Charles will be visiting Sheffield soon. He will tour an exhibition there, "Palace and Mosque: Islamic Treasures of the Middle East," that launches the festival. The prince is said to be keen to see the exhibition. He will also meet school and community groups and watch a performance by a group of Muslim women and girls.
Mar. 21, 2006 update: Charles weighed in on the Muhammad cartoon controversy, telling an audience of more than 800 Islamic scholars at Cairo's Al-Azhar University in what the
 Times (London) called a "serious, impassioned 30-minute speech" that "The recent ghastly strife and anger over the Danish cartoons shows the danger that comes of our failure to listen and to respect what is precious and sacred to others. In my view, the true mark of a civilised society is the respect it pays to minorities and to strangers."
Mar. 25, 2006 update: As the first Westerner ever to address the Al Imam Mohammad Bin Saud Islamic University in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Charles (as was the case in December 2004 – see the update above) chose to give Muslims some advice about
 modernizing their religion. Note the "we" in the following quote: "I think we need to recover the depth, the subtlety, the generosity of imagination, the respect for wisdom that so marked Islam in its great ages." He also said  Jews and Christians should learn from Islamic teachings:
What is so distinctive of the great ages of faith surely was that they understood, as well as sacred texts ... the meaning of God's word for all time and its meaning for this time. … it was Islam's greatness to understand this in its full depth and challenge. This is what you ... can give not only to Islam but by example to all the other children of Abraham.
Prince Charles meets the children at the Islamia Primary School, London.
Speaking of Islamic education, here is a remedial news item: back in March 2000, Prince Charles visited the  Islamia Primary School in North-West London. This, Britain's first state-funded Muslim school, was founded and is headed by Yusuf Islam (a.k.a. Cat Stevens), an Islamist who threatened Salman Rushdie's life during the Satanic Verses controversy and has since been banned from entering the United States. The Prince told the children: "You are ambassadors for a sometimes much misunderstood faith. "I believe that Islam has much to teach increasingly secular societies like ours in Britain."
Oct. 31, 2006 update: There's been a strong reaction to a Kuwait News Agency report that "Prince Charles Tuesday said that the world problems could be resolve by following Islamic teachings, as Islam is a religion of peace and brotherhood." But a look at the speech in question, to the Fatima Jinnah Women University in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, finds no such statement. All Charles did was to quote the Koran in a favorable way in the context of a new-agey-style discussion of the Planet Earth:
"This planet's survival will depend on you understanding that you can achieve unity through diversity; that you can in fact build on living, timeless traditions that are a part of your unique culture and still be "modern". It will also depend on you realizing that the planetary crisis we face is so profound in its rapidly developing consequences that we simply cannot afford to go on squabbling amongst ourselves while we destroy the world around us at a truly terrifying rate. As it says in the Qu'ran – "Only they pay attention who have hearts; only they believe (or see signs) who have hearts." Have you seen the signs? Will you trust in what your hearts are telling you?"
Nov. 6, 2006 update: Umree Khan reports in the Guardian,
 "Why Muslims love the royals," on the Muslim response to Charles and his family:
In the wake of Prince Charles's visit to Pakistan, now is an apt time to reflect on the strange hold that royals, and he in particular, have over Muslims.
It may sound paradoxical, but it's not surprising that when Labour ministers queue up to tell modest women to take their veils off, there is a special affection for a prince whose public utterances on the subject have been marked by a sort of bumbling Islamophilia.
Charles and Camilla's visit to Pakistan was a really important trip for my mum. She is obsessed with the royal family. Lots of mums are but, really, you have no idea how big the royals are with Bangladeshi women. My friend Koruna will tell me, "You think your mum is obsessed, but I bet she doesn't have a showcase filled with royal-family china like my aunts." Of course she does - we had entire commemorative sets of Diana and Charles plates, eggcups, the works, in our living room. "Yeah," Koruna replies, "but a whole showcase in a mud-shack village in Bangladesh?"
Thousands of households in the subcontinent give pride of place to royal kitsch, and that is as much the case in the volatile Islamic states of Pakistan and Bangladesh as it is in India. A survey of my Asian mates confirms this grim predicament - the royal cult, and in particular the icon that is Diana, is being propped up by Muslim women all over the world.
May 26, 2007 update: The BBC has announced a forthcoming world premier performance. Sir John Tavener's major new work,  The Beautiful Names will be introduced on June 19 at 7:30 p.m. in Westminster Cathedral. The BBC Symphony Orchestra under Jirí Belohlávek will join forces with the BBC Symphony Chorus and Westminster Cathedral Choir.
The Beautiful Names sets the 99 names for Allah as culled from the Qu'ran, sung in Arabic. "Inspiration for the piece came to me as a vision," says Tavener, "and the music just came to me immediately I saw the Arabic word." He has worked closely with the Arabist Michael Macdonald to ensure correct pronunciation and stress – "the sound actually does help create the music." The 70-minute work is divided into eleven groups of nine "tonal zones" and the start of each new section is prefaced by a magisterial calling out of Allah. Making his strongest reference yet to Islam, Tavener also calls upon Sufism, Hinduism and Buddhism in his choice of structure, instrumentation and tonality.
Program notes by Tavener spell this vision out in greater detail. Tickets are on sale for £24, £20, £16, £12, £8. Oh, and the work was commissioned by HRH The Prince Of Wales.
July 11, 2007 update: From a speech at the opening of the
 Aga Khan Trust for Culture's "Spirit & Life" Exhibition at the Ismaili Centre in London:
So much attention is paid to the outward differences between Faiths. Almost reflexively, this becomes translated into seemingly impenetrable divisions between people; people who – if they did but know it – are in fact linked by much and separated by rather little. How refreshing it is, then, to be reminded by this marvellous exhibition of the spirituality from which our Faiths draw their real strength, and of the heritage and traditions which we share,
"Their Royal Highnesses watch a display of whirling dervishes in Konya, Turkey," according to Prince Charles' website..
Nov. 27, 2007 update: Two points of note in a Times (London) article by Alan Hamilton,  "Whirling dervishes' star turn caps Prince's homage to Islamic mystic."
1. Writing from Konya, Turkey, about Prince Charles' visit there to the shrine of Mevlana Jalal ad-Din Rumi during the 800th year of Rumi's birth, Hamilton mentions as an aside that "The Prince disclosed yesterday that he had paid a private visit in 1992 to the shrine."
2. After watching ten whirling dervishes perform at a cultural center, Charles stated in a speech: "Whatever it is, it seems to me that Western life has become deconstructed and partial." The East, on the other hand, he went on, had given us "parables of the soul."
Dec. 16, 2007 update: Princess Diana was also close to conversion to Islam. Of course, there was Dodi Fayad, about whom great debate exists. But before him, she was involved for two years with Dr. Hasnat Khan, in what appears to have been a more substantial and serious relationship. Here is how Ronni L. Gordon and David M. Stillman characterized it in 1997 in "Prince Charles of Arabia":
Under the Yoke of Rome and friends with the enemies of the Cross ?
The Pope met with Prince Charles and the Archbishop of Canterbury.
After making his way through the cheering crowds who gathered to see him, the Pope met Dr Runcie and Prince Charles at Canterbury Cathedral, with the three men posing for photographs on a sofa in the Deanery.
 Royal wedding moved to Saturday
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Prince Charles' wedding to Camilla Parker Bowles has been moved to Saturday to allow Charles to attend Pope John Paul II's funeral at the Vatican on Friday, his office said.
Charles and Camilla attend a memorial service for the pope, along with Tony and Cherie Blair.
"As a mark of respect His Royal Highness and Mrs. Parker Bowles have decided to postpone their wedding until Saturday," a spokesman for Charles said.
 Papal funeral forces Prince of Wales to delay wedding
The Prince of Wales bowed to the inevitable today and agreed to postpone by a day his long-awaited wedding to Camilla Parker Bowles so that he – and the Prime Minister and Archbishop of Canterbury – can attend Friday’s funeral of Pope John Paul II.
The decision will ensure that the three pillars of established power in Britain – Church, Crown and Parliament – will all be properly represented when up to four million mourners gather to mark the Pope's passing. Other world leaders to due attend the ceremony include President Bush, President Chirac and Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary-General.
The Prince’s decision to delay his big day also came as a relief in Downing Street, where Mr Blair, an Anglican with known Catholic leanings, faced a dilemma. A spokesman said: "The Prime Minister is now very glad he is able to go to both events."
Prince Charles and his bride-to-be were among hundreds of VIP guests and Catholics to attend a service of prayer for the Pope in London today.
 Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales,  (currently on "Hope 08" Board of Reference), paid tribute to the late pontiff as "one of history’s greatest Christians.
Rev Rowan Williams
Practicing Druid, Ecumenical, Pro-homosexual, Pro-freemason, and an unbeliever
‘Christians have to learn how to give an absolutely clear answer to the question, “why is this good news?”. Now, with Hope08, this vision is being extended, with great boldness to the whole country – and even more widely.’
 Archbishop of Canterbury, "Hope 2008 is a really remarkable vision that has grown out of the success of a number of local urban projects. Christians have to learn how to give an absolutely clear answer to the question, 'why is this good news?'; 'Soul in the City' and all the related enterprises that have been going on are a wonderful example of how to give such an answer, in terms of the building of responsible positive communities. Now, with Hope 2008, this vision is being extended, with great boldness to the whole country - and even more widely. It deserves the warmest welcome. I thank God for the inspiration that has driven it and wish every blessing to all involved."
(Comment) Where did the inspiration come from ?
 Yet he is a Druid, "This struck me as a remarkable poem written by a remarkable man, who is after all a cultural, Eisteddfod-style Druid himself. I was startled at the insight with which the world of the ancient Druid-as-shaman is depicted by an Anglican priest. Make no mistake: Rowan Williams is a very, very good poet, whose work is complex, compassionate and austere, with a luminous gift for word-music and metaphor."
Many would argue that Druids are not pagans, but druids are NeoPagan's, Quote  "Druids are Pagans. Originally, the term meant country dweller. It evolved to mean those who did not practice the JudeoChristian Tradition."
The early Celts practiced Druidism, a Shamanic religion. Originally, they worshipped the Goddess, also called the Lady and the God, her horned consort also referred to as the Lord and the Green Man. The Druids were influenced by GrecoRoman traditions and developed a pantheon of deities.
Early Christian missionaries adopted some Pagan traditions and customs to facilitate the conversion. Some scholars believe Catholic saints were given sacred status to reflect the Pagan deities. There are Pagan beliefs in the Goddess, the stern Father God and the human friendly God-Son who is part god and part man. The Virgin Mary would the Goddess, God, the stern father as evidenced by Judeo tradition and Jesus the Son.
For more information about the Druids, please refer to the article, “Druids, Origins, Trads and "Mystery"….”
Rev 17:5 - 6 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
 What Exactly is NeoPaganism?
The term refers to the revival of the Pagan or Shamanic religions, either by attempts at reconstruction, those who may have practiced these in secret because of fear of being persecuted as witches, syncreticism or an eclectic mix of various Pagan practices and beliefs.
The Pagans have beliefs in common, such as the four elements of nature, fire, earth, air and water. Some religions believe in nature spirits, those who lived within the elements and could be called on to help in working with the powers of the Universe for positive ends. The elements, nature spirits, are salamanders (fire), gnomes (earth), sylphs (air) and undines (water). There are subdivisions of some of these spirits.
Totem animals are another belief that many Pagans share. Native Americans are the best known of the Pagan religions that believe in the medicines and powers of the animals referred to as totems. There is a revival of this, but, now, totems are referred to as Power Animals. Most European Pagans shared the belief in totem animals, however, until relatively recently, this was not widely known. Some of the Oriental Shamanic people believe in animal totems as evidenced by Chinese astrology and other writings. The symbolism varied, according to the culture, but the belief in the powers of these animals was a common one.
While the main common belief is there is a Supreme Being and all in the Universe are inter-related and connected as one and are manifestations of the One, there are beliefs and practices that vary within the Shamanic, or Pagan, people.
On October 4, 2003 at the Vatican, John Paul II kisses the hand of Rowan Williams, head of the Anglican sect. He is known for his support of homosexuality.
Archbishop of Canterbury to visit Rome
Thursday 23 March
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, is to visit His Holiness Pope Benedict XVIth in Rome later this year. The visit will mark the fortieth anniversary of the Archbishop Michael Ramsey’s meeting with Pope Paul VIth in 1966 and the founding of the Anglican Centre in Rome in the same year.
Dr Williams met the Holy Father’s predecessor, Pope John Paul II, in the autumn of 2003; he travelled to Rome in April 2005 for the funeral of Pope John Paul II and returned for the Inaugural Mass of his successor. Dr Williams and Pope Benedict met briefly the following day.
Pope Benedict XVI and Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams shake hands after signing a joint statement after 25 minutes of private talks during their meeting at the Vatican Thursday, Nov. 23, 2006. They acknowledged there were 'serious obstacles' on the path to closer ties between Catholics and Anglicans, reflecting tensions over Anglicans' blessings of same-sex unions and the ordination of women and decided to commit themselves to continuing dialogue.
Pope Benedict XVI meets Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and his wife Jane Williams at his private library on November 23, 2006, in Vatican City.
 Dr Williams said
“ I am very much looking forward to the visit and especially to meeting Pope Benedict once again. Forty years ago today [March 23rd] Archbishop Ramsey met Pope Paul VIth in what was a historic and ground-breaking visit to the Vatican. They exchanged fraternal greetings and gave thanks to God for the ‘new atmosphere of fellowship’ between the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic church. The declaration which they signed the following day expressed their intent to engage in 'a serious dialogue which, founded on the Gospels and on the ancient common traditions, may lead to that unity in truth, for which Christ prayed''
“ My visit this autumn is an opportunity to continue that rich tradition of visits between Canterbury and Rome, to reflect on the achievements of the last 40 years and on the future of those relations.”
As well as the Papal Audience, Dr Williams will also join in celebrations commemorating the 40th anniversary of the establishment of the Anglican Centre in Rome, and will hold meetings with officials of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. The visit is expected to take place in the autumn; further details from the programme will be announced later in the year.
 Archbishop Rowan Williams Strongly Pro-Homosexual
The Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, is strongly pro-homosexual. But he is equally strongly a Church conservative in terms of Church order. He strongly favors the approval of homosexuality, but equally strongly insists that the homosexualists must wait until the Church at large approves such a lifestyle. That puts him in direct conflict with the realities of Christian faith. He is going to get shot at from both sides.
He argues that there is more to homosexuality than Romans i, the passage most frequently cited by evangelicals where St Paul attacks the “unseemly” passions of men with men.
Dr Williams goes on to set out a possible case for active same-sex relationships by arguing that revisionists who support “sexual expression” for homosexuals may, like evangelicals, be trying to be faithful to the Bible.
His arguments, couched in diplomatic theology, make clear his support for committed gay partnerships and his belief that the Church’s traditional ban on homosexual activity should not apply to those in faithful gay relationships.
Dr Williams says that there are plenty of homosexual Christians who do not recognise themselves in Romans i, where St Paul condemns a society where “God gave them up unto vile affections”, where women turned to lesbian love and “the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burnt in their lust one toward another”.
 Archbishop sparks row after holding secret communion for gay clergy
By OLINKA KOSTER - More by this author » Last updated at 18:33pm on 31st December 2007
A row erupted yesterday after it emerged the Archbishop of Canterbury kept the details of a communion service for gay clergy so secret that he failed to inform the Bishop of London it was taking place in his diocese.
Dr Rowan Williams reignited the row that is causing divisions within the Anglican Church after agreeing to hold a Eucharist for homosexual, lesbian, bisexual and transgender clergy.
Details of the service, attended by around 100 people, emerged yesterday, with the Archbishop said to have spoken openly about the future for gay people in the church.
His critics expressed anger that as well as choosing to give communion at the meeting, he also failed to seek permission from the Right Rev Richard Chartres before making an "incursion" on his patch.
They said Dr Williams risked being seen as discourteous, with suggestions from some quarters that he was close to breaching canon law.
The service was held at the end of last year (2007) in All Hallows by the Tower, a 7th Century church in the City of London, after the original venue, the liberal St Peter's Church in Belgravia, was "outed" on a hostile website.
 Rowan Williams apologises to Freemasons and Endorces Freemasonry.
By Chris Hastings and Elizabeth Day
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, has been forced to apologise to Britain's 330,000 Freemasons after he said that their beliefs were incompatible with Christianity and that he had rejected them from senior posts in his diocese.
"the Archbishop apologises for the "distress" he caused and discloses that his own father was a member of the Craft."
Freemasons, many of whom are active members of the Church of England, reacted angrily to his disclosure that he "had real misgivings about the compatibility of Masonry and Christian profession"
A spokesman said the Archbishop was worried about the ritual element of Freemasonry, which has been seen as "satanically inspired".
"He claims that his views were never meant to be public and were distorted by the media."
He added: "The quoted statements about the 'satanic' character of the Masonic ceremonies and other matters did not come from me and do not represent my judgment. Since my late father was a member of the Craft for many years, I have had every opportunity of observing the probity of individual members."
Dr Williams does not, in his letter, deny that he has misgivings about the role of Freemasons within the Church.
He wrote: "Where anxieties exist, however, they are in relation not to Freemasonry but to Christian ministers subscribing to what could be and often is understood [or misunderstood] as a private system of profession and initiation, involving the taking of oaths of loyalty."
What does this say about Archbishop Williams?
Jhn 14:23-24 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
By promoting those things which are contrary to the teachings of Christ The Archbishop is not keeping the words of Christ, hence he does not love Christ in the truest sense,
Jhn 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Jhn 15:13-14 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
By not doing as Christ has commanded, and doing the exact opposite, the Archbishop has made himself one who is not a friend of Christ and placed himself outside of the Grace of God.
 http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/32Ang/Ang/ABC Williams Prohosx.htm
Churches Together ?
All over the UK Hope 2008 leaders have been consulting and seeking advice from Churches Together 
An e-mail I have recieved from "Hope 08"
" We have been in regular contact with Churches Together in England and had some contact with the Welsh agency CYTUN."
Hope08 has one of its primary goals the fostering of InterFaith relationships.
Hope and other Faiths
Whatever you’re planning for Hope 2008, you may end up working with, or amongst people of different faiths. Hope 2008 can be a great opportunity to serve them and share your faith in a way that leads to meaningful friendships.
There is advice and suggestions of resources via the Youth Encounter section of the Scripture Union website and also an excellent resource produced by Churches Together in England.
"It gives me great pleasure to take this opportunity to recognise the achievements of HOPE2008 and the diverse range of projects it has delivered for many communities throughout the country. I consider HOPE2008 to be a valued partner of Government and a true example of what can be accomplished when we all work together towards a shared goal. The values and traditions which motivate those of a Christian faith to serve their fellow citizens are clearly evident in the themes of HOPE2008. It is also a credit to the many volunteers who actively support this initiative that HOPE2008 positively embraces the ideal of interfaith engagement in all of its projects. Communities and Local Government supports HOPE2008 in its aim of encouraging people of all faith traditions and none to work together to make our communities stronger, inclusive and more cohesive."
Parmjit Dhanda MP, Cohesion Minister, Department for Communities and Local Government.
Here is some background information about Churches together, the Churches Together are members of the  world Council of Churches, they also support the "Christian GLBT movement" AKA (Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender) that are members of Churches Together.
"2004 MCC Manchester joins Churches Together in Longsight."
The MCC is a Homosexual GLBT (Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender) church group affiliated to the Churches Together are
 Holy Trinity and Living Springs MCC are Christian churches and members of Churches Together in Bath.
Churches Together pushing interfaith,  they state
“A Positive Attitude to Difference”
Rosalind and Heather say that they got involved because there didn’t seem to be much help available that recognises what it is like to try to live with two faiths and two communities in one family.
The assumption is often that if people of different faiths get married, it’s because religion doesn’t matter to one or both of them. But they have found, from running this website and working with couples, that this is often far from true. If anything, faith can become more important, even for people who weren’t practicing to begin with – because it’s about who you are.
 Promoting interfaith relations across Britain and Ireland
Across Britain and Ireland there is a rich tapestry of faiths. Some people belong to major world religions that are ancient and historic, while others follow smaller, newer faiths.
Many show a passionate commitment to their religion, which plays a major part in their identity and sense of belonging. Others are more sporadic in their observance and may regard their faith as a private, spiritual affair.
These differing spiritual approaches leave Christians with many questions to consider, such as how to relate to people of other faiths without compromising their own beliefs.
Churches Together in Britain and Ireland provides an ‘ecumenical space' in which these and other issues can be explored and reflected upon.
 (Conclusion: Churches Together are bringing Churches across the UK into deeper apostasy, and they harbour the delusion that different faiths serve the same God.)
 Faiths, HOPE and Diversity:
Bringing hope amongst people of different faiths.
Hope 2008 is a great opportunity for Christians to make a difference to their communities. For many this means working amongst people of different faiths. What are the issues and questions that we might face as we work in this situation? Should we be about mission or dialogue or both? How do we share our faith whilst acknowledging that they are committed to theirs? And what do we say when people ask why we’re taking part in Hope 2008?
Faiths, Hope and Diversity are training days to help Christians think through the issues that working amongst people of other faiths raises. The days are being led by Gill Marchant and Andrew Smith of Scripture Union who, between them, have over 25 years experience of working with people of other faiths.
Hope 2008 directs people to get help from the the Youth Encounter section of Hope 08's web site they state.
 "Action leads to insight more often than insight leads to action"  which Steve Chalke who stated about his views on ‘penal substitution’ as expressed in his book ‘In my view the real problem with penal substitution – a theory rooted in violence and retributive norms of justice – is that it is wholly incompatible, at least as currently taught and understood, with any authentically Christian understanding of the character of God or genuinely Christocentric world views – given for instance Jesus’ own non-violent “do not return evil for evil” approach to life’ and he went on to say "Hence my comment, in The Lost Message of Jesus, about the tragedy of reducing God to a ‘cosmic child abuser’. Though the sheer bluntness of my imagery might shock some, in truth, it is only because it is a stark ‘unmasking’ of the violent, pre-Christian thinking behind such a theology."
In saying Steve Chalke states "If you don't know who you are, you don't know who you are dealing with" M G Khan Quotes from the Getting Engaged Conference, Feb 2007
Youth Encounter is a Scripture Union project which exists to help Christian young people in Britain live out their faith amongst Muslims. This is done in two distinct ways:
1. Running Faith and Young People Events that bring together Christian and Muslim young people for dialogue.
2. Providing training and resources to help churches equip Christian young people live out their faith confidently and humbly amongst their Muslim friends.
Youth Encounter also provides training for churches and Christian organisations who are working with Muslim young people.
 They also promote this as a so-called "excellent resource" produced by Churches Together in England promoting interfaith.
This states: The last hundred years have seen an unprecedented migration of peoples around the globe, leading to the multicultural, multiethnic and multi-faith societies found in our country and others today. Many Christians have felt called to look beyond their own circle and build up friendly relations with believers of other religions.
Dialogue is first of all about people: meeting, building riendships, conversation, laughter, tears, sharing. Once we meet, we may realise that Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Zoroastrians, Baha’is, Jains or Buddhists are not what we thought. We realise too that no one is the perfect embodiment of faith. (Added comment: In other words there are many ways to God) Dialogue has been defined as ‘all positive and constructive interreligious relations with individuals and with communities of other faiths that are directed at mutual understanding and enrichment in obedience to truth and respect for freedom’.
While Christians have a special relationship with the Jews, and share the ‘Abrahamic tradition’ with Islam too, much can be learned from and exchanged with the faithful of all religions.
Yet they dissobey God when the Bible says in John 1:9-11, says, "Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds." (Muslims? Hindus? People of other Faiths ?)
James 4:4, says, "You (spiritual) adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore, whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God."
II Corinthians 6:14-17, says, "Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?... 17 "Therefore, Come out from their midst and be seperate," says the Lord."
Ephesians 5:6-11, says, "Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them... 11 Do not participate in their unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them." (Yet they praise Muslims, Hindu`s people of other faiths)
Belief and Being in School
 Youth Encounter stated Believing and
Being in School which the people behind
Hope '08 are clearly in support of, promoting
Interfaith can only eventually lead to multi-faith.
 They advertise the Christian Muslim
Forum is holding this conference for Christian
and Muslim teachers and teaching assistants.
The event is designed to bring together educators of faith working in mainstream schools. 'Believing and Being in School' provides an opportunity for Christians and Muslims to consider together ways in which they can maintain the integrity of their faith in a secular environment and use it as a resource for their pupils’ education and well being. We are able to offer this event at a subsidised price due to funding from the Faith Communities Capacity Building Fund.
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"Belief and Being in School" is one of Scripture Union's tools to promote interfaith initiatives.
"The days will give people a chance to think through some of the issues, reflect on what the Bible has to say, ask questions and get practical help."
The answer is clear, "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:22-23
"By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." 1 John 4:2-3
"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." 2 John 1:7
So who is an Anti-Christ ??
The one who denies that Jesus is the Christ
1 Jn 2:22
Whoever denies the Son 1 Jn 2:22
Whoever will not confess the son 1 Jn 2:23
The liar 1 Jn 2:22
Every spirit that does not confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh 1 Jn 4:2
Every spirit that does not confess Jesus 1 Jn 4:3
Those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh 2 Jn 1:7
Yet they advertise the Faiths, HOPE and Diversity flyer.
 So what is the future for Hope '08 well the
site was the idea of Gareth Squire, Director of the Christian Enquiry Agency, who says, “We want hopeinfo.co.uk to be a central place of inspiration and information about the faith that drives Christians to serve their communities - but equally importantly, we want it to be a place where people of all faiths and none can express their hopes and dreams and engage in a conversation about the true nature of hope.”
David Coleman of Church Army who is a partner in the project adds; “Everyone hopes for something and this project is designed to start where people are and encourage as many people as possible to share their hopes.”
Hope '08 is not about leading people to Christ but rather it is about bring people to Christianity, teaching that Christianity is one of many ways to God, leading people to believe that all religions are acceptable to God.
Yet the Bible also says (Ephesians 5:7,11) '7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them... 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.'
(2Corinthians 6:14) 'Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath Light with darkness?'
Do we have any common ground with the enemies of the cross in any area of our lives and within the body of Christ ? The Bible says we have NO common ground with the enemies of God. We are call to holiness. We must stand by the things of God and this means no compromise, no … matter … what!
Hope '08 its leaders and those who are involved walk in defeat. They are willing to compromise with, and partake in, the sins of the heathen such as idolatry, disobedience, disloyalty. Because of this Hope '08 is guilty of spiritual prostitution.
Reference link's are numbered.
 New Wine was started in the 1980's by Bishop David Pytches (then vicar of St Andrew's, Chorleywood.)
David Pytches' relationship with Third Wave leader John Wimber, and the Vineyard movement, was the catalyst for what would become New Wine.  David Pytches holds that “has had the greatest impact on the church in England since John Wesley.”
New Wine's youth outreach began as the direct result of the growing attendance of families at conferences. This youth work was placed under the oversight of Mike Palavachi and out of this “Soul Survivor” was born. Soul Survivor is considered to be a separate movement, although close links are still maintained
New Wine activities now extend far beyond the borders of England and have spread not only to Scotland, Ireland and Wales, but to 20 countries in Scandinavia, Africa, North America, Western Europe, South East Asia and New Zealand.
 At the 2008 Harrogate leader's Conference the main speaker will
|  "It is abnormal for a Christian not to have an appetite for the impossible. |
It has been written into our spiritual DNA to hunger for the impossibilities around us to bow at the name of Jesus."
Bill Johnson - When Heaven Invades Earth - Destiny Image - 2003 - p 25.
 New Wine's programmes integrate Holy Trinity, Brompton's ALPHA Course. They operate a course called The Family Time Course which is described
as being “The course is ideal for parents with small children who are on the fringes of the church but not yet ready for
Alpha or for parents in the church asking questions about parenting.”
 New Wine director, Rev. John Coles, was one of the
group that drafted the New Covenant for the Church of
England. This new covenant has, as one of, its stated aims
to be, “committed to faithful biblical orthodoxy as defined
by the classic formularies of our tradition.” It seems strange that seekers for “Biblical Orthodoxy” should seek to work together with an organisation like the Roman Catholic
Church which put to death such great English churchmen
such as Cranmer, Tyndale, Latimer and Coverdale. Divid Pytches was also a signatory, as was  Rev John Stott (a leading British Ecumenist.)
David Pytches has been long involved in Ecumenism.  In 1999 he was to lead a spiritual renewal event promoted by
The Atlantic Ecumenical Council. In 1990  he also wrote
the preface to “Overcome by the Spirit,” by the Roman
Catholic Dominican priest, Francis McNutt.  David
Pytches defends the Kansas City Prophets in his book,
"Some said it thundered", in which he confuses the Spirit
with the soul, thus promoting Psychic Phenomena as if it
were the Holy Spirit at work in men. Further in the book
he echoes some of the same kinds of ideas that Paul Yonggi
Cho teaches concerning the Holy Spirit working miracles
even through unbelievers. It is this kind of thinking that the false teachers of the Elijah List engage in. One writer said of
Bill Johnson,  “Though he is an Assembly of God pastor
and not a Vineyard pastor, he carries the DNA of John
Wimber more than anyone else I know, especially when it
comes to his passion for healing and the activity of the Holy Spirit.”
It is this form of mysticism that New Wine seeks to bring into the lives of Christians and, via the work of Mike Pilavachi and Soul Survivor, thousands of young people are being led astray.
 David Pytches was one of a number of “big names” that supported and promoted the “Laughing revival” (aka Toronto Blessing) which blighted the churches in the UK.  He, himself is reported to have been, “roaring from the floor like a lion.” Bishop Pytches is quoted: “The Book of Micah talks of ‘howling like a jackal and moaning like an owl’. What God is doing is shaking people physically and shocking people
mentally, drawing attention to himself, like a parent shaking
a child which wants to run across a busy road.” This reference
to the Book of Micah is in Micah 1:8. However if we read this verse within the context of what God is saying this is as the direct result of God's people committing idolatry and it is God the one who is howling and moaning! Yet one more example
of a false teacher taking scripture out of context in order to
prop up some false notion of what is actually going on.
 New Wine has also drawn inspiration from Terl Bryant (percussionist and drummer,) founder of Psalm Drummers. Psalm Drummers believe that it is possible to lead a person
to Christ through drumming (just how this is possible is not
easily explained in view of the clear teaching of scripture
1 Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. This is yet another example of how the contemporary Christian scene has
brought in new and innovative ways to replace that which
was the message and practice of Christ and His Apostles. However much of what is being promoted as “new” is
simply the “Christianizing” of worldly culture which,
eventually, will only result in the emergence of a more
“worldly” form of Christianity.
 Jack Deere, Internationally renowned speaker and
disciple of John Wimber and C. Peter Wagner was the
key speaker at new Wine's 2005 Scottish Clan Gathering Conference.
Ecumenical, Interfaith ?
Chip Kendall (AKA Chip K) - Theband- withnoname formed as a group through an ecumenical, Purpose Driven Organisation called Innervation Trust.
references are numbered and linked.
 Published on: 11/23/2004 as was stated on
PBC (Poynton Baptist Church) website, "The
four main leaders of the Innervation Trust are
all from PBC - George Petch, Rob White, Zarc
Porter and Mark Pennells."
 Poynton Baptist Church who are part of Hope '08,
are ecumenical as they state, "Allied to this was the realization
of the need for the 7 churches to work together to present a common witness of the gospel in Poynton. The final factor
was the emergence of gifted lay people who shared the
vision for ecumenical mission."
Poynton Baptist Church are also a Purpose Driven church, as
they stated  "this 40-day study book was recommended to support the teaching The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren", along with promoting the  alpha course, the four main leaders
of Innervation Trust who are from Poynton Baptist Church this would clearly make the Innervation Trust part of a Ecumenical organisation.
Chip Kendall and thebandwithnoname are involved with
Kidz Klub (UK) headquarters in Liverpool,  "What about those who don't complete the Alpha Course? Each
month, we run a city-wide evangelistic youth event called
the Edge. Combining live music from the most popular Christian bands including The Tribe, YFriday, Steve and Thebandwith
noname with hard-hitting gospel presentations from speakers including Arthur White of Tough Talk and Andy Hawthorne of
The Message Trust, gives us high attendance and a high number of responses to the gospel. This hi-tech, hi-action evening is attended by over 600 young people from all over the city and even surrounding towns. In fact, it's been growing so fast that we've moved it from our own building to a bigger venue in the centre of town with a capacity of 2500. On November 16th, we recorded our highest ever attendance: 1050 people! Kidz Klub visitors encourage young people they know to attend and each month loads of teenagers give their lives to Jesus."
Kidz klub is another ecumenical project , which Chip Kendall is also involved in.  Kidz Club has corporate sponsorship from three secular companies; Arriva Transport, Mars and Haribo,
also Christian business enterprise THE4POINTS Ltd.
 The Roman Catholic diocese of Westminster started an ecumenical youth event called X-PLOSION 05 on Sunday, 6 November. After the celebration of the Mass, music was
provided by leading Christian bands.
 In 2006 thebandwithnoname were involved with with this Roman Catholic ecumenical initiative, X-PLOSION 06 which
also involved the Anglican Diocese of St. Albans Youth Service.
Thebandwithnoname was one of the bands that provided the music after the celebration of the Mass.
 In 2004 the Catholic Agency to Support Evangelisation (CASE), in a response to Pope John Paul II's Message of World Youth Day 2004, organised an event called, "Soul in the City," in London. This was an ecumenical event and the Christian charity Soul Survivor was employed to co-ordenate it.
Part of the events organised during "Soul in the City" was the celebration of a daily morning mass. This blatant promotion of
the Roman Catholic Mass shows the obvious ecumenical stance
of Soul Survivor in that they have no problems with the Catholic dogma of the Mass.
(Soul in the City's website now directly links with the
Hope '08 website so that "Soul in the City" is now part of the
Hope '08 initiative)
 Soul Survivor is one of the organisations that founded Hope '08 and thebandwithnoname has worked with them for several years now.
 Mike Pilavachi, Director of "Soul Survivor," was one of the main organisers employed by the Roman Catholic Church during "Soul in the City."  (Interestingly enough there is no mention of this fact on "Soul Survivor's" website. This strikes
this author as a bit of an oversight, if not downright devious.)
 Mike Pilavachi comes highly recommended by CASE: The Catholic Agency to Support Evangelisation as can be seen from CASE's directory, and lauded by the former Catholic bishop of Hexham and Newcastle, Rt. Rev. Ambrose Griffiths.  Mike Pilavachi is described as Executive Director of "Soul in the City" by CASE.
 Mr Pilavachi describes Bishop David Pytches as one of "his bosses at St Andrews." David Pytches is the founder of New
Wine which will be featured in a further article concerning Hope '08.
 Bandwithnoname featured at New Wine 2005 where band member Leon Henderson (aka "Q Kid" or "Kid Quality") auditioned to become a member.
 Chip Kendall (aka Chip K) is part of the presentation team
on GOD TV's "The Warehouse Project." GOD TV was started in the UK by Rory and Wendy Alec a South African couple, CEOs
and creative directors of Europe's first religious television station GOD TV. There are major problems with GOD TV as it hosts a whole number of false teachers, false prophets and evangelists such as  Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Rory and Wendy Alec (and their frontline manager Johnny Woodrow), Kenneth Copeland, Rick Joyner (Morning Star), Jesse Duplantis, Colin Dye (Kensington Temple), John Hagee, Cindy Jacobs and others.
There is a well know fact, that the heart of GOD TV is about "Money".
 There is alot more to GOD TV than people know. Wendy and Rory Alec are supported by Elijah List Prophets,  Mike Bickle John Paul Jackson and Paul Cain, who have made numerous false prophecies which have left many people devastated and on the verge of suicide.
 The Elijah List is also known for its promotion of the "gold dust" phenomena, "angel orbs" and the appearance of "angel's feathers."
This author has spoken personally with Chip Kendall (aka
Chip K) and David Strafford (aka Straff) of thebandwithno
name concerning their involvement with such ministries and people. They understood this and the implications of the
direction that they were taking however, as they stated at
the time they are "too deeply involved."
Chip Kendall, thebandwithnoname, Y-Friday, LZ7, all other
bands and individual artists in the so-called "contemporary christian music scene" may preach a gospel message that
speaks of the need for repentance and the dangers of hell
(which is comendable,) however with tens of thousands of
young followers the example that they are giving to these impressionable youngsters betrays the message.
Being compromisers themselves with false teachers and the
world, it is no wonder that so many young christians are
worldly and carnal.
As Christ said "But whoso shall offend one of these
little ones which believe in me, it were better for
him that a millstone were hanged about his neck,
and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Mathew 18:6)
False teaching and misleading people causes offence, but they don't realise what damage they are causing. "Unto the pure
all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their
mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that
they know God; but in works they deny [him],
being abominable, and disobedient, and unto
every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:15 - 16)
Andy Hawthorne - The Message Trust
All references are Numbered.
John 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. (KJV)
Andy Hawthorne has become a prominant leader amongst the Neo-Evangelicals.  In general, a neo-evangelical would be defined as one who has taken a "lower view" of Scripture, has developed a more open, inclusivistic spirit toward liberalism, and has become ecumenical in evangelism efforts.
 Is Andy Hawthorne ecumenical ? Well, what does the evidence tell us? Andy Hawthorne founded the Eden Project,  an ecumenical initiative backed by The Salvation Army.  He is currently one of the founders of Hope '08 another ecumenical, inter-faith project (please refer back to my Hope 08 article "What is Hope '08"). This clearly makes Andy Hawthorne an ecumenicalist.
"Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:15 - 16)
According to the Message Trust's own web site, they are much loved by the world having the status of  "an award-winning youth charity, well established reputation for being a pioneering organisation with a real passion to improve the lives of young people in Greater Manchester. Driven by Christian values."
But what version of Christian Value's is the Message Trust trying to deliver? Is it Christ's Values or the Values of the so-called "Christian Religion of Cultural relevance"? Who's teaching is it?
As we see from the groups and individuals the message trust is acociated with and promoting, it does not take much to realise that this is pure dominionism.  Here are some of their teachings, followed by a brief explanation by Sandy Simpson.
"Redeeming culture is the never-ending mission of the church." (Chuck Colson, Breakpoint, KLHT Radio, 1/2/05)
"I was deepening my understanding of what we call the cultural commission, the command to the Church to take dominion and bring righteousness to our culture. (Chuck Colson, God's Inseparable Commissions, Prison Fellowship, 01/05/2005,)
"Today-some 30 years into my ministry-I have come to believe passionately that all Christians need to take their faith out of the pews and into the trenches. We've got to be faithful to the cultural commission to have dominion, to work for Christian values to arrest our worldview slide. (Chuck Colson, Prison Ministry and Worldview: A Match Made in Heaven, Prison Fellowship, 08/29/2004,)
"Gary North, one of the movement's most vocal proponents, defines Reconstruction in this way: 'A recently articulated philosophy which argues that it is the moral obligation of Christians to recapture every institution for Jesus Christ." (Gary North, Backward Christian Soldiers? An Action Manual for Christian Reconstruction (Tyler, Tex: Institute for Christian Economics, 1984),
(Kansas City Prophets/Latter Rain/NAR)
"What is about to come upon the earth is not just a revival, or another awakening, it is a veritable revolution. The vision was given in order to begin to awaken those who are destined to radically change the course, and even the very definition of Christianity." (Rick Joyner, The Harvest, "Joel's Army.")
(Manifest Sons of God/Dominionist,
recently involved in a sex scandal)
"The Church has been foreordained of God to become that people who will become so glorified that we can bring Christ back to the earth. This glorified church must make the earth God's footstool before Jesus can come again." (From The Wounded Body of Christ. Earl Paulk, quoted in Jewel Van der Merwe's book Joel's Army).
"God literally moves His throne from heaven. When this happens the church is building a chair, a seat, a place for God to come. When is the church going to arise and build a mercy seat according to the pattern of heaven? And He will literally set up His throne, and you will have a throne zone in the midst of the church and some group somewhere is going to build a seat for the glory of God, and the water that flows from that place will eventually cover the earth. The next wave of revival is not going to be like anything that you have ever seen. There will be nothing of man on it or God won't come to sit. He is tired of breaking chairs that we have built for Him. He is demanding now that we build a mercy seat." (Tommy Tenny, Rivermail Archives: Mar.-Apr. 1999, The Glory of God
C. PETER WAGNER
(Head apostle of the NAR)
"The cultural mandate, which some refer to as Christian social responsibility goes as far back as the Garden of Eden. After God created Adam and Eve, He said to them: "Be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it, have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing... Both the cultural mandate and the evangelistic mandate are essential parts of biblical mission, in my opinion. Neither is optional. There is a growing consensus on this point in Evangelical circles. This was not true as early as twenty-two years ago when the Berlin World Congress on Evangelism was held in 1966. One of the first Evangelicals to stress the cultural mandate in a public forum was Horace Fenton of the Latin America Mission at the Wheaton Congress on the Church's Worldwide Mission, also held in 1966. Following that, the social consciousness generated by the social upheavals of the 1960's brought the cultural mandate to prominence until it was given a relatively high profile on the platform of the International Congress on World Evangelization at Lausanne in 1974." (C. Peter Wagner, "On the Cutting Edge of Mission Strategy," Perspectives on the World Christian Movement, A Reader, Revised Edition (Pasadena: William Carey Library, 1981,1992), pp. D-45-46.)
C. Peter Wagner claims is the new agenda for the churches as of 2004:
See, the problem is, is that Satan has had too much of his way in our society because he has a government! And the only way to overthrow a government is with a government. It won’t happen otherwise. So therefore the government of the church has to get into place in the extended church just like we do have it very well in place, we haven’t reached our goal yet, but it’s very well established in the nuclear church. ... These apostles in the workplace are the ones that are going to come into the picture and with them we’ll be open these gates, without them we can have all the prayer meetings we want, all the marches for Jesus we want, all the prayer walking we want, the gates aren’t going to be opened. Because it takes a government to overthrow a government. Gate number one, letter A, the gate of social transformation, the gate of social transformation. ... This gate will be opened when we understand about the church in the workplace, that the church has a government, that it takes a government to overthrow a government, and when we understand this, if we renew our minds, if we embrace this paradigm shift, if we see, if we hear what the spirit is saying to the churches, if we recognize ministry in the extended church and government in the extended church, the revival we’ve been praying for is just around the corner. We will see it. ...And now I pray for every individual here, before you, who is in the workplace, who tomorrow and in the days to come will be going out to their ministries in the workplace, and I impart to them an anointing, I impart to them an anointing for not seeing a job, but seeing a ministry in the workplace. And I impart an anointing to them and to this whole community to recognize and raise up apostles who will set the church in the workplace in order so that our cities, our communities, our states, and our nations will be transformed for Your glory, in Jesus’ name. (C. Peter Wagner, Arise Prophetic Conference, Gateway Church, San Jose, CA, 10-10-2004)
Jim Laffoon, another "apostle" of the NAR recently stated this:
I'm utterly convinced, as I stand here tonight, that God has raised up this family in the earth to reach "every nation in our generation." But the ultimate purpose of God is not for us to reach every nation, it is to raise up a generation long after my generation is gone who because they have reached nations can begin to rule nations! ... As I look at this nation, as I look at the nations of the world, I'm here to tell you, that before we're done, we'll not merely plant a church in every one of the world's nations, we will study, analyze, and penetrate the cultures that control her. ... Before I die, I expect to see an incredible apostolic center in every nation in the earth. Before my children die, I expect they'll begin to see every culture in those nations begin to change.... We're raising up a generation of children who I believe if my generation is faithful to reach nations, the next generation can begin to rule nations. It is my passion. (Jim Laffoon (with Rice Broocks), "To Reach and To Rule", Morning Star Jnternational, Every Nation Churches and Ministries, 2004 World Conference: Every Leader - Every Church - Every Nation, July 15, 2004)
 Sandy Simpson Explains the reasons
to reject this new worldview.
The doctrines of Dominionism are rooted in the earth. Their basis is the (false) teaching that man must take dominion of this earth and change it for the better before Jesus can come. The emphasis, therefore, has shifted from 'looking up' to 'looking around' to see what can be done to patch up the environment and change society into a more godly one. This scheme is unscriptural and should be rejected as heresy. Following are ten reasons why.
It requires a universal Kingdom of God on earth.
Obviously, in order to alter society and bring in biblical laws for the nations, in order to change man's habits of greed and violence, there would have to be a world government headed and policed by Restoration Christians. (The "Holy" Roman religio-political empire nearly achieved this in time gone by, but at a high cost - the oppression of the masses, widescale poverty and ignorance, the disappearance of the Bible texts in the common language, papal abuses, priestly dominion and the slaughter of thousands of dissenters and so-called heretics who refused to bow the knee to Roman dictators in the Church.)
This system requires obedience to Law. If any system of religion is going to be introduced worldwide, amongst many who offer only a token submission to it, obviously that religion must be strongly enforced and governed by rules and regulations. In fact, the religion proposed by Dominionism (and other) Christian movements for world transformation today is one closely modeled on the Old Testament Law. Every part of the world system - law, government, medicine, education etc. - would be ruled by biblical precepts. But the New Testament demonstrates that Law cannot save mankind and that the only hope for man is in justification by faith. The Law has failed to transform mankind and it always will. [Rom 7:6] But Dominionism adherents hope to resurrect it as the basis of a new age of peace and righteousness.
Taking restoration teachings to their logical conclusion, it is clear that nothing less than world Christianisation would work the miracle of planetary salvation. This, say the leaders, would be the 'Kingdom of Peace and Righteousness' promised in the Old Testament. However, given the condition of the human heart, and satan's plans for world dominion, it is actually the universal reign of terror through Antichrist! In the Word of God, not universal obedience but universal wickedness is forecast before the Coming of Christ, and all nations will follow the satanic plans of the 'Beast'. [Rev 13:3,4] To set about organising and networking for a New Order and for global dominion is to throw huge parts of the Church into the hands of 'another christ' and 'another gospel'.
It robs the Jews of their inheritance.
In order to provide biblical proof of their role as earth saviours and law-givers, and in order to support their claim to be the Kingdom of God on earth, Dominionism leaders have to pirate the Old Testament promises of God to the nation of Israel and make them apply to the Church.
They have gone on record as saying that Israel has no further place in God's future plan for blessing the nations, nor will the 'kingdom' promises of the OT come to pass specifically for Israel, but only by and through the Church. The Jews rejected their Messiah, they say, and so forfeited their inheritance. But God, who can never lie nor break His Word, has promised specific material blessings of land, prosperity, nationhood, peace and victory to the literal nation of Israel in the future. These promises have never been fulfilled and can only be fulfilled in the context of a re-gathering and spiritual resurrection of Jews in the literal land of Israel. [Jer 31:35-37] with ultimate fulfillment in the Millennial Kingdom after Christ's second coming.
It removes awareness of the Return of the Lord.
The emphasis on earthly triumph for the Church and long years of victorious rule to precede the Lord's Coming removes the need to 'watch and pray' and be ready for that Day. Many sensitive Christians are aware that the signs leading up to the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus are being fulfilled in this generation, and that - in fact - the Coming may be very soon indeed. If so, we ought to be on our guard against laxity and deception, as Jesus warned. But Restoration doctrine promises ultimate triumph for the Church instead of the tribulation of the endtimes prophesied in the Word, and so encourages a careless attitude.
It denies the scriptural prophesies of the end-times.
Because Dominionism teaching places the binding of evil, and the 'dominion' of the righteous, at the FIRST coming of the Lord, it radically adjusts our understanding of the book of Revelation and the other prophecies of the End. According to this scheme, the Tribulation, Antichrist, Apostasy and so forth are placed historically in the PAST, or else are made out to be symbolic interpretations of ordinary antagonism against the victorious Church. The Restoration understanding of prophecy is largely POST-millennial. That is, it places the Return of Christ AFTER the reign of righteousness and peace. Therefore, what is now expected is not tribulation but triumph. This is very dangerous, especially as the scripture warns that, before Jesus returns, a world leader claiming to be Messiah will arise. [2 Thess 2:3,4] It may be that Dominionists, unaware of the true prophetic calendar, will accept this man as Christ.
It denies the sovereignty of the Godhead.
Dominionism doctrine claims that Jesus CANNOT return until all His enemies have been put under the feet of the Church, (including death, presumably). His coming is not at the appointed time ordained by God, as scripture says [Acts 1:7] but must wait on the preparations made for Him by the Church, for the world must be evangelised and saved and the Bride must be totally united and without spot or wrinkle when He comes. However, the Bible states that very few will be ready when Jesus comes, and that the purification of the Bride is a work of the Holy Spirit, not Christian leaders. [Luke 18:8/Matt 7:14]
It requires religious unity.
Since the world must be evangelised and cleansed, according to this doctrine, and since this cannot be done by individual churches, it is imperative that all denominations (now including Mormons, eg.) come together to do the work. The plan for World Evangelisation entails an overthrowing of doctrinal differences (such as justification by faith alone) to allow Roman Catholics and liberals to help christianise the World. But the scripture forbids us to work together with unbelievers and heretics. [2 Cor 6:14]
It rests on human ability and wisdom.
Instead of the wisdom and power of the Holy Spirit, the scheme of world restoration calls for the development of man's social skills and knowledge, organisational ability, qualities of leadership, rhetoric and the ability to dominate adversaries. Dominionists are now being encouraged to take a full part in all areas of the world system in order to change it from within. This is what the Transformation movement is all about, with marketplace apostles, and marketplace Christians, for instance. But Bible Christians were often the poorest and least intelligent, and relied on nothing but the power of God to back their preaching. Their work was to preach the gospel only, and never were Christians told in scripture to change mankind by social action. [1 Cor 2:1-5]
It requires a structured Church system based on human leadership.
In order to establish world dominion, Dominionism teaching must be unvaried and universal, and this cannot be done without the obedience of all its followers. Thus, a system of leadership [discipleship] must be introduced to ensure every Christian is under authority and unable to err from the teaching. This leadership model is the New Apostolic Reformation headed by the International Coalition of Apostles under head "horizontal apostle" C. Peter Wagner. This excludes from the 'one world kingdom' all those who disagree with Dominionism teaching. In effect, it disinherits all other Christians from the Body of Christ. Indeed, some Dominionist fellowships teach that their Church is the only valid one, that the door to salvation is through the Church, [not Jesus Christ the Saviour!] and that everyone outside of the system is outside of the Kingdom of God.
It replaces Jesus with the Church.
In an effort to strengthen the claims of the Church on earth, as a Kingdom and Authority to be obeyed, Dominionism doctrine has come close to replacing Lord Jesus with His Body. The properties, abilities and authority of Jesus are made over to the visible Body on earth and His functions as Head and Government, Shepherd and King are taken over by apostles (on His behalf, they say!). Then, it becomes the responsibility OF THE CHURCH to destroy the wicked and establish the Kingdom on earth. This is exactly what Word-Faith and Latter Rain/New Apostolic heretics have been teaching for years. Yet this leads to human arrogance and rivalry, and replaces obedience to God with submission to the Church.
It draws from corrupt roots.
What we know today as Dominionism doctrine is a hybrid of Roman Restorationism, Dominionism, Preterism, liberal A-millennialism, Post-millennial eschatology, and Later Rain doctrines. The Latter Rain revivals of the early 20th century introduced an ideal new to Christendom - that of achieving religious unity and a golden age for the Church by means of revelation knowledge and spiritual power. Much more was entailed in the scheme, but this heresy, though largely debunked in the 1950's, seeded the charismatic movement and linked with other groups to form the Restoration Movement, Latter Rain, etc..
Thus, much current heresy on the "birth of the Manchild" and the role of an elite army of saints in taking the nations for God - which came to our present time in the Toronto Blessing, Brownsville, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, and a host of false apostles and prophets on TV- has been able to implant itself most readily in charismatic churches where restoration teachings had already paved the way.
Many have discovered from bitter experience in Dominionism fellowships that behind the smiling faces, camaraderie, loving embraces and victorious praise, there lies a spirit of dominion that will wound and crush any who do not toe the line. An empire-building, self-seeking arrogance pervades much of the Dominionism leadership, and they have proven themselves closed to correction. Greed, corruption, immorality and spiritual abuses have thrived in this climate - and the teaching which focuses so much on the earth as our inheritance had led many to become so in love with this present world as to adopt almost all its values.
Without denying that there are many sincere people who claim to be Christians within this system, it needs to be said most strongly that Dominionism churches are a foundation of sand, and the doctrines taught are unscriptural, unsound and finally heretical where they deny the bodily return of Jesus Christ to earth to rule and judge..
Anyone within the Dominionism system should think very carefully about the dangers to their spiritual walk. Dominionism is heresy and the Bible is clear that we are to reject heresy and heretics (Titus 3:10), mark and avoid false teachers (Rom. 16:17), and prove that we love the Lord by obeying His commands (John 5:10). Our mandate is the same as when Christ ascended until He returns: preach the gospel (Mark 16:15) and disciple believers from all the nations (Matt. 28:19). We are NOT to overthrow the governments of the world, take over businesses, or throw our collective Christian weight around in a bid to take over everything. We are to be light and salt (Matt. 5:13-15) to a dying world (1 Cor. 7:31) and abide till He comes (1 John 2:28). Christians need to get busy witnessing for Christ and drop this Dominionist, Kingdom building rhetoric and planning because if they do not they will be playing right into the hands of the coming antichrist.
They say  "we help all sorts of young people from all sorts of backgrounds and with all sorts of beliefs."
This clearly mixes the Message of Christ with a worldview that all roads lead to God and the message behind closed doors is that there is a common ground between faiths. How can we be one with the world and one with Christ when it is clear if there is any other way to heaven, Jesus would not have had to die (Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.), yet Andy has rejected the gospel that is not tolerent of other gods, religions and beliefs. Hope 08 states of people from other faiths we  "would not Encourage them to make decisions that would put them in conflict with their family."
The Scripture says that the Word of God is likened to a sword which is the truth, this causes a division and people must reject their religion and follow Jesus, which often puts them into conflict with their family. Hope 08 even goes to the point where Christians are not to "Ask children or young people to say, sing or pray things that they do not believe or that compromises their own faith." (Matthew 10:35 - 39 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.)
In truth Andy promotes the idea that for the sake of peace we need to look away from our differences and seek for that which unites us.
Anyone who is outside of Christ is in conflict with God, and anyone who is outside of God's wisdom is a fool. If we are obedient to God this puts us at odds with others, because a Christ centered worldview is not acceptable to a man centered worldview.
The Message Trust gives the world a dose of sugar coated arsenic. They believe that with a big agenda behind the
scenes they  "demonstrate the values we believe in: hope, faith, love, compassion, encouragement, creativity and opportunity. "
The Bible warns us however, (Matthew 7: 21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.)
Here is a little backgroud into Andy Hawthorne from his own story "Dairy of a Dangerous Vision." Firstly he gives credit to Zarc Porter and Mark Pennells who he credits with establishing "Contemperary Christian Bands" with worldly styles into the public domain. These two people helped Andy Hawthorne in the publication of his autobiography, "A Dairy of a Dangerous Vision." Closely linked in with Apostate Mike Pilavachi as featured in my article  "Thebandwithnoname, Innervation Trust, Soul Survivor, GOD TV, Hope '08 and a Ecumenical agenda."
Andy makes refernce to the Salvation Army, as being a comendable charity because of the hard work and through whose example it is clamed people are turning to Christ. This seems laudable on the surface but what happens below the serface? Lets find out.
According to page 12 of his autobiography Andy speaks highly of the Salvation Army and states that the charity has shown that through their actions this is bringing people to Christ. They may be doing good works and by doing so they think this will gain favour from the Lord, but then we find out beneath the surface the Salvation Army compromises the gospel in the name of humaniterian aid. Thus they become futile in their deeds and their Good works are not accounted for, because their compromise is in direct opposition to what God has said.
The Salvation Army and the Freemasons.
The Masonic Lodge Army Sheild and the Salvation Army Blue Sheild are almost identical;
Masonic Parade,  Berwick on Tweed (UK) - 19th June 1937.
© Rosslyn Templars
Since we posted this interesting photograph several months ago we have received several enquiries asking what the organisation parading is or was. A number of suggestions have been offered but none of them were correct. We can now that the parade is being led by a Salvation Army Band and the main body is that of the International Order of Good Templars (IOGT). The Order originated in Syracuse, New York State, USA, in 1852. It later spread to many parts of the world including Scotland. It was conceived as a temperance organisation and remains so to this day.
The Freemasons, themselves, announce their involvement with the Salvation Army. The compromise between the Salvation Army and the Freemasonsl goes on to this day.
 Masons Answer the Call for Salvation Army (USA)
Staffing the phones for the Salvation Army's Coats for Kids telethon, officers and members of Lamberton Lodge No. 476, Lancaster, raised $8,620. Picking up on the spirit of giving, two months later the lodges of the 1st Masonic District contributed
another $4,000 to the Salvation Army. At work by the phones at WGAL-TV, Lancaster, are the brethren of Lamberton Lodge (l-r): Front Edward R. Lloyd, Chaplain; James E. Gustafson, W.M.; Douglas M. Wiker, then-D.D.G.M.; Richard C. Bledsoe, P.M.; and R. Steven Sturdevant, S.W. Rear Charles E. Landis, P.M.; Lester Turner; Walter R. Mull, P.M.; Charles H. Rahe II, Treas.; and Charles Smithgall, who also is the Mayor of Lancaster.
 The Texas (USA) Salvation Army, lists friends of the Army in their 2004 Partner Recognition
Gallagher Bassett Services
Gardner Marketing Group
Garland Masonic Lodge
Garland Space Center
Gary's Quality Plumbing
General Electric Company
This also happens in the UK today,  as we can see from the official Freemasonry Magazine PAST ISSUE 28 - FREEMASONRY TODAY quote "FAMILY FESTIVE CONCERT IN GRAND TEMPLE" this is at the Grand Lodge of England London.
"Reading Central Band of the Salvation Army with some of the Chorus"
Reading Central Band of the Salvation Army with The Provincial Grand Master for Cornwall, James Kitson, presented a cheque for £1,000 on behalf of Freemasons in the Province to Sally Taylor, Chief Executive of St Luke’ s Hospice in Plymouth.
On Page 15 of "A Diary of a Dangerous Vision" Andy makes reference to Frank and Deborah Green, who were involved in running Manchesters first march for Jesus in 1992. March for Jesus was about "taking the church outside," the problem with this was that it involved being in fellowship with unbelievers. The scripture says (2 Corinthians 6:14 - 16 KJV, Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.)
 Deborah Green is Pastor at Ivy Cottage Church Didsbury working along side her Husband Frank Green. Deborah Green undermines God himself by putting her self above Christ. If the Head of a man is Christ so the Head of the woman is her husband, for a more indepth study please see my article the  "Role of Women in the Church".
On page 109 of the book Andy stated that he helped set up a Soul Survivor event, that was used to "recruit people." This is called Proselytising,  Soul Survivor partners with the Roman Catholic Church. An event called "Soul in the City" was started by CASE (Catholic Agency to Suport Evanglisation) employing Soul Survivor to organise it. Soul Survivor organised the celebration of a daily morning mass as part of their agreement with CASE.
On page 113 Andy describes being in partnership with Ecumenical/Interfaith organisations such as Youth for Christ and the Salvation Army for recruitment. Later he collaberated with a dangerous group known as  Youth With a Mission (YWAM). YWAM leader, Laurance Singlehurst,  was asked to establish a disipleship scheme for inner-city kids. YWAM is in partnership with Apostate and Showman Benny Hinn.
On page 117 Andy made reference to Apostate  Nicky Gumbel and Co. at HTB (Holy Trinity Brompton.)
In March 2004 Mr Gumbel – along with his wife Pippa and son Jonny – were presented to the Pope by Father Raniero Cantalamessa, Preacher to the Papal Household, at the end of a General Audience in the Paul VI Audience Hall in the Vatican.
‘It was a great honour’, says Nicky Gumbel
After returning from Rome, Nicky Gumbel said:
‘ It was a great honour to be presented to Pope John Paul II, who has done so much to promote evangelisation around the world. We have been enormously enriched by our interaction with Catholics in many countries.
It is a great privilege to meet inspiring leaders from different parts of the church – Catholic, Baptist, Salvation Army, Pentecostal, Lutheran, Methodist, and so many more – and discover that what unites us is infinitely greater than what divides us.
As Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa has pointed out, the battle today is similar to that of the first century. The battle is around the King: Is Jesus a Universal Saviour, or just one among many? Thus, on the crucial issue of our day, we can be united and proclaim this Jesus to a desperately needy world.’
On page 136 and 137 Andy speaks about his involvement with the Apostate and False Prophet  Gerald Coates and "Pioneer." Gerald Coates  is the founder and leader of Pioneer, he was largely responsible for the  1995 Pensacola Movement in London. Much of what Gerald Coates promotes is nothing more then the New-Age movement  with a "Christian" veneer. (1) According to Gerald Coates, the March (for Jesus) is "a prophetic act" which claims the ground for God "by shifting the spiritual powers that have been allocated in the structures of the nations." (2) They would gather millions of Christians together with the potential of preaching the gospel to multitudes, and yet hope that somehow souls will be won without the direct preaching of the Word:
(1) Graham Kendrick, Public Praise: Celebrating Jesus on the Streets of the World, "What a March is Not," Point 5, p. 21.
(2) Gerald Coates, March For Jesus, p. 131, as cited in "Mainstream" Magazine, Winter 1993, (Banner Ministries, Box 23, Belper, Derbys DE56 1QR UK) p. 3
(3) "Our task is to make Jesus attractive and intelligible. Through words and deeds to build bridges of love because human beings are worth it, and in the hope that we might have the rich privilege of sharing our faith with them. In so doing, as people respond, the earth will fill up with reasonable people who have the ability to make peace rather than piano covers, to be faithful rather than promiscuous, to bring heaven rather than hell into the world."
(3) "Back to Basics," Gerald Coates, as cited in The Christian Conscience, May 1995, p. 37
Though knowing who Gerald Coates is Andy willingly comes under his influence. The false prophet's co-worker prophesied over Andy which encouraged him to go ahead with what he entitled Xcelerate with is now called  genetik, a 5 month training programme for young people. Much of what is passed through the Message Trust is another road leading people to Rome.
On page 139 Andy gives reference to Dave Connolly who is the pastor at the  Frontline Centre. They run cell churches which follow after the  Alpha Course. Having small groups and small churches is not a problem in itself, the problem is where system is devised introducing secret heresies deliberately watering down the message. Their teachings have more in common with New Age teachings where people are instructed to use breathing tecniques and empty their minds so that they can enhance their spiritual experience they would like to have with God.
For more infomation and research on Cell church please goto the following titles,
The Frontline Centre is runhs a Discipleship Training School (DTS).  Being very much involved with YWAM, it is not surprising that the Frontline Church's DTS is YWAM's DTS.
Please Refer to  YWAM Testimonies - 2002 to find out the outlined problems,  A Warning Concerning YWAM “The Friend’s Network”: “With Friends Like These…”
On Page 142 Andy reveals his social gospel through Message 2000; from doing people's gardens to removing graffiti from out side houses was better than preaching on street corners, thus forsaking Christ's commandment to preach to all nations. Apostle Paul stated, 1 Corinthians 9:16 "For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!" yet the very example that Paul had shown is now dismissed. Evangelism is not about doing poeple's homes and gardens, being good social workers.
Andy speaks about social action, this problem was outlined by Cecil Andrews as he said  "merely a possible ‘temporal’ impact and not an ‘eternal’ impact." They generally quote Matthew 25:31-46 to justify this approach: "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 "And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.' "
 As Mike Oppenheimer stated, Many have this as their theme and a requirement for a social gospel, they have changed the text to a general principle that is applied to everyone. Jesus’ principle of We are to do unto others as we would have them do unto us is to be our lifestyle but in this rebuke it is more specific. Christians are to help in various ways but this is not our specific mission to solve poverty or disease. Of course, if people are starving they cannot listen to a spiritual message about their soul too well. We should be there for catastrophes such as earthquakes and floods... What of the poverty in the church, are we to feed the world and not the brethren? Isn’t this what Jesus said to do in Mt.25. Unfortunately Mt. 25 is often used for a general humanitarian effort of the church.
Notice the point- least of my BRETHREN – primarily the Jews are Jesus brethren and so are believers and this rebuke is mostly centered in the tribulation period.
Jesus sees this as being against him by not doing these things to his brethren- feed and clothed Christ is used just as Jesus said to Paul in Acts 9 that he persecuted him by going against his church and arresting and killing his people.
Its general wider application it means - taking care of the brethren means to care for Christians that are homeless or in jail; (inasmuch as you did it to the least of the My brethren, you did it to me), in its primary meaning it has to do with the Jews and believers in the tribulation. This cannot be applied to the nations and people who are unsaved by the context and the meaning of the word brethren and the personal application of “I,” “me” and “you did it to Me.”
Along with the literal application of their actions their would be of necessity be a spiritual one. They gave food- this is not just physical food but food for eternal life- the word. They gave them water for their thirst- again it is not just physical food but the water of life.
The gospel is to the Jew first. When you see organizations claiming to help the Jews back into Israel and they purposely do not give them the gospel they are guilty of this negligence and will be judged accordingly.
Why is it that the Church is requred to tend to the unbelievers rather then believers, is not that the example that Jesus shown, when Jesus said " Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." our duty is not to the world but to Christ, they talk about the example of Jesus yet they missquote scripture, and read into things that are not their.
If the Gospel is first for the Jew is it not our Job to work hard to reach the Jewish people, rather then the gentiles who are last to receave the Gospel ?
Doing Social Gospel is infact no Gospel at all, it is simply "secularization." What we should be aiming for is, as Sandy Simpson put it,  "evangelism had to do with the supernatural salvation of the soul. This they dismissed as of secondary importance. "
Much of this is influenced through men like Tony Campolo, who, like the rest of the ecumenical crowd, preaches a "social" gospel to transform the world rather than transformation of the soul. Universalism teaches that all mankind is saved and that we need to make the "world" a better place to live since we are all going to heaven anyway. Blissful eternity is "guaranteed to all", they say, so religions need to learn to get along and make the "world" a blissful place.
Campolo has conformed to the world and the world hears him because he is of the world.
On page 142 Andy speaks about his involvement with Nigel Gordon who is the European Director of the Luis Palau Evangelistic Association, and on page 149 Andy speaks about Luis Palau Ministry being invited to be apart of Message 2000. The following shows Andys compromising ways and his rebelion to God, here we examine Luis Palau;
 General Teachings/Activities
- Luis Palau (pronounced pahl-OW), is an Argentinean-born (1934, to Roman Catholic parents) international evangelistic preacher with immense popularity in South and Central America. He claims to have been born-again at age 12, and immigrated to the U.S. in 1960. Palau is the author of 44 books and booklets, and has written more than 100 articles published in Charisma, Christian Herald, Christian Parenting Today, Christian Reader, Christianity Today, Decision, Discipleship Journal, Focus on the Family, Moody, The Plain Truth, Pursuit, World, World Vision, Worldwide Challenge, and many other periodicals. He has been pegged by some to replace the ecumenical Billy Graham as the United States' pre-eminent evangelist; "the Billy Graham of everywhere" says The Wall Street Journal. (This, of course, was prior to the 11/95 appointment of Graham's son, Franklin, to replace the retiring Billy.) Palau models his ministry and organization after Graham, being influenced by Graham since 1962, when he served as a translator at a Graham crusade in California. Graham gave Palau money to start his own organization in 1978, the Luis Palau Evangelistic Association (LPEA). Palau raises money for his stadium crusades like Graham also -- the responsibility falls upon sponsoring local churches.
- Palau is a graduate and member of the Trustee Board at the neo-evangelical/psychologically-oriented Multnomah School of the Bible in Portland, Oregon (now Multnomah Biblical Seminary). He is commonly called "the Billy Graham of South America." The title is fitting, for he has followed Graham's new evangelical policies in his crusades and has been willing to join hands with liberals, charismatics, and Roman Catholics. His ministry has not been confined to South America, however. He has had crusades in such diverse places as Aberdeen, Scotland; New Zealand; Managua, Nicaragua; and Peoria, Illinois (New Neutralism II, p. 67).
- Since Palau's first crusade in 1966, an estimated 14 million people in 69 nations have attended 414 of Palau's cross-denominational crusades and rallies (now termed "Festivals") -- he has preached on every continent except Antarctica, and was the first evangelist to hold stadium evangelistic meetings in the Soviet Union (1989). In addition, tens of millions more have been exposed to the Palau message through radio and TV broadcasts in 104 nations. His radio programs are broadcast each weekday on more than 500 stations in North, South, and Central America (200 in the U.S.). Palau often purchases television time in cities where he plans stadium crusades, airing a live call-in program called Night Talk with Luis Palau (carried by two national cable networks -- the National Empowerment Television Network and the Inspirational Network). Viewers call to discuss their spiritual, family, and other concerns. Palau claims to explain the basic Gospel and prays with those who want to trust Jesus Christ. The national program also features taped segments of live TV programs from Palau's U.S. crusades. [Palau now airs two distinct radio programs -- Luis Palau Responde and Cruzada, Spanish radio programs broadcast on more than 500 stations throughout Latin America and the United States; and Reaching Your World with Luis Palau, a two-minute daily radio program, which went on the air 1/31/00, broadcast on more than 530 stations in the English-speaking world.] (Source: LPEA Internet web site, 8/27/01.) Luis Palau.
Here is a article written by Luis Palau intitled  Who Is God? written 1997 "Luis Palau Responds" article that seems odd to us. See if you agree with this sentence taken from the article: "The bottom line is you can be any religion you want to be, as long as what you believe about God corresponds to reality." Is this really true? How can a person find Jesus Christ as a Buddhist, as Palau indicates? How can a person find salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone in the Roman Catholic church? How can a person be of ANY religion other than true Christianity, even Judaism, and not acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Messiah? How does Luis Palau think God views worshipping Him while continuing to worship other gods? No other "religions" own God at all. No religion does. But only Judaism and Christianity worship YHWH. Other religions worship demons. God has revealed Himself to this age through His Only Son, Jesus Christ who is made evident through the body of Christ, the Christian church. You cannot exclude the body of Christ or the Scriptures from the process of coming to the full knowledge of God. It is impossible. These statements by Luis Palau indicate just how far he has slid into ecumencalism and interfaith compromise. (Original location of this file was at: http://www2.gospelcom.net/lpea/archive/lpr/09-11-97.shtml but it has since been taken off the web.)
Again this shows that Andy has no discernment, and goes down the ecumenical route.
Page 151 Andy makes mention of Festival Manchester's Party in the Park, were he states that he drove the Luis Palau Team and shared their vision they had around young people, that this was a recruitment tool used to try and entice them in to the church buildings, but they wanted to Americanise the message of the cross by using entertainment methords calling it Christian, as he stated he was long to establish partners with the enimies of Christ and compromise with them, and aimed for secular corprate sponcership to help them with their event, and as Andy said this is purly a business event, he stated that he had sponsorship from Shell Oil, Lookers Sports Store, Irn Bru, Friends Provident Financial Services, B&Q, KPMG Tax and financial services and Yorkshire Bank Society, for publicity reasons, no where in the Bible is this ever taught, Jesus actually said "my kingdom is not of this world,"If we were trully teaching the Gospel the world would reject this.
On page 156 a Public Address firm called WIGWAM, which was started in a Baptist church in Heywood near Bury, was used to set up the rig for Festival Manchester in Heaton Park, Manchester. WIGWAM have, in the past, been employed to do the Sound Systems for big pantomimes in Liverpool and Manchester, also concerts for bands such as Spice Girls, Blue, Westlife and Boyzone.  WIGWAM are in partnership with School of Sound Recording (SRR) which has sent its students to various concerts including  Satanic Rock Priest Marilyn Manson.
 WIGWAM is also partnered with the ecumenical Christians Against Poverty (CAP) Organisation.  CAP work with various heretical groups such as  New Wine,  Healing Rooms,  Soul Survivor's Momentum amongst others.
On page 164 Andy makes reference to new age mystic and universalist Mother Teresa of Calcutta by recounting an anecdote attributed to her. This is yet another indication of Andy's total lack of discernment in things spiritual and his attraction for mysticism.  What Andy fails to tell you is that Mother Teresa although being very charitable; yet several months before she died, she made it clear that she only converted Hindus and Moslems to be better Hindus and Moslems; she sent those people to hell without Christ in the name of being charitable.
On page 181 & 182 Andy recounts a very telling incedent reguarding his mother who speaks of hearing a message from her dead brother-in-law to her recently deceased husband. Andy uses this story to justify his projects. Such incidents indicate a leaning towards Spiritualism and Necromancy (communication with the departed,) which are both roundly condemned in both the  Old and New Testaments of the Bible.
 Andy has close ties and a working relationship with the aspiring mega church World Harvest Bible Church (WHBC). WHBC pastors Matt and Julie Beemer are directly accountable to  Rhema Ministerial Association International (RMAI).  The RMAI was founded by Kenneth Hagin Jr. Son of false prophet and prosperity guru and apostate  the late Kenneth E Hagin.