Sunday, August 02, 2009

The Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism

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Background Information.

[1] In 1980, The Lausanne Committee for World Evangelism (LCWE) sponsored the Consultation on World Evangelisation (COWE) in Pattaya, Thailand. "Reaching Jews" was one of the 17 mini-consultation groups at that event. The enthusiasm of the leaders in the field of Jewish evangelism who attended to expand the network gave rise to the formation of a task force, now called the Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism (LCJE).

Who is involved ?

Tuvya Zaretsky, President of LCJE International Committee.

[2] Tuvya Zaretsky is one of the founders of the Jews for Jesus ministry. He was the first field missionary beginning his service in February 1974. Tuvya continues to serve the Lord, now as the Director of Staff Development internationally in the Los Angeles office. He also chairs the Board for the Jews for Jesus in Tel Aviv, Israel.

Jews for Jesus joining hands with Rome

Having phoned Jews for Jesus in London, the person on the phone stated that Jews for Jesus does not concern it self with doctrinal differences concerning Jews becoming Roman Catholics, it is more important that they believe in Jesus, by its nature Jews for Jesus are not separatists, and state that we should not divide on doctrinal diffrences. Although the person on the phone would not answer my questions, such as "does Jews for Jesus have any issue with the ecumenism around unity with the RCC" the question remained unanswered but they did state that "they have representatives from Jews for Jesus that do speak at Roman Catholic Churches where they are accepted, but not all of them do". For more info on Jews for Jesus and ecumenism please refer to my page on Jews for Jesus.

Jews for Jesus are part of a bigger ecumenical organisation [3] called the Joshua Project 2000 [4] who were formally known as AD2000. [5] they state "Joshua Project was originally birthed in 1995 within the former AD2000 and Beyond Movement. From 2001 through 2005 Joshua Project was at different times informally connected with Caleb Project, ICTA and World Help. In 2006 Joshua Project officially became a ministry of the U.S. Center for World Mission."

Along side The AD2000 Resource Networks (Tracks) and Task Forces and Their Leaders are Mobilization of United Prayer - which include Peter & Doris Wagner. Peter Wagner is the founder of [6] Global Havest Ministries, [7] the International Coalition of Apostles (ICA) [8] and co-founder of the World Prayer Center, in 1982 Wagner Joined with John Wimber, the founder of Vineyard, to create a new course at Fuller Theological Seminary School of World Mission called "Signs, Wonders and Church Growth".

Jews for Jesus and the Cell Church Movement

Jews for Jesus involvement with the WCM goes back clearly to their speaking engagement and participation at GCOWE '95 which was sponsored by Christo/pagan Paul (David) Yonggi Cho at his megachurch in Seoul, South Korea, and perhaps before. Staff from Fullers School of World Missions went to Korea as well to find out about the cell church movement from Cho. "The purpose was to learn how to plant churches in the same fashion..."13. (Media Spotlight, p. 10, The World Christian Movement,Albert James Dager; Volume 22-Number 1, April, 1999)

A breif history of the Cell Church Movement

[9] (A report from a former associate of John Wimber)

"...during the "think tank" years at Fuller Seminary, when John Wimber, David Yonggi Cho, C. Peter Wagner, Bill Bright [CNP], Jay Grimstead, Donald McGavran, Ralph Winter, Billy Graham, David DuPlessis, Robert Grant (CNP), Don Richardson, etc., etc.. were all there.. and the "strategies" and "methodologies" of "taking the world for Jesus" were being developed (i.e. Lausanne, GCOWE, AD2000 and Beyond Movement strategies, the contextualized gospel, the global "harvest" and "revival" ect).... John traveled extensively for Fuller as a "church growth expert (i.e. cell group theory ala Cho) and taught seminars worldwide to hundreds of thousands of pastors "equipping" them for ministry.. by the impartation of the "gifts" and "ministries" of the Holy Spirit.. John promoted and taught and trained up hundreds of thousands of workers globally to take their places in the new found "apostolic network"... each submitted under a "mentor" or person above them in a hierarchal authority structure - also known as "shepherding" doctrine.. he and Cho also introduced these ideas to the church in China.. those attending Vineyard churches these past twenty years have all been "equipped" to "use their gifts" in the manner prescribed by their doctrine, and under their authority..."

"...John could secretly know that his position in the hierarchy (as an apostle) was completely assured. He went on from retiring from the Association of the Vineyard Churches to working directly with Schuller, Cho, Hayford et al in perfecting their cell model through the post-denominational church movement and "Touch Ministries", the "Antioch Church Network" and much much more..."

Global Consultation on World Evangelization (GCOWE) and the LCJE

[10] LCJE-NA representative was privilege to attend what some were calling at that time the most strategic and significant gathering of Christian leaders in the history of missions: a 10-day Global Consultation on World Evangelization in Seoul, Korea, with about 4,000 delegates from almost every nation in the world.

The Global Consultation on World Evangelization is part of [11] AD2000 and Beyond a report from the [12] dated October 1, 2000 the International Bulletin of Missionary Research states "(3) In January 1989 mission leaders from fifty countries met in Singapore in the Global Consultation on World Evangelization (GCOWE) to consider marking the end of the century as a goal for completing world evangelization. Representatives of the Roman Catholic communion were among the 314 participants. They too had sights set on the millennial year. Pope John Paul II, in 1987, had already proclaimed 1990-2000 the "Universal decade of evangelization, in order to put the Good News of salvation in the hands of every person before the dawn of the Third Millennium." The goal of the program was "a world more Christian than not by the year 2000."

Reference quote from:

(3.) Tom Forrest, "The Strategy of Evangelization 2000," New Evangelization 2000, no. 4, 1988. The hope was to "give Jesus the 2000th birthday gift most pleasing to him: the world for which he died...won for him!" Forrest's article was reprinted in Towards AD 2000 and Beyond: A Reader, compiled by Luis Bush, Jay Gary, and Mike Roberts for the (Singapore 1989) Global Consultation on World Evangelization by AD 2000 and Beyond.

More details in the article state:

The AD 2000 Movement not only has been interdenominational in its constituency but international as well. In 1987 the individual who canvassed mission leaders to see if there was interest in launching an AD 2000 program was Thomas Wang, a Chinese, then serving as international director of the Lausanne Committee; he would soon become chairman of the AD 2000 Movement. The AD 2000 international director, Luis Bush, is the son of a British businessman who raised his family in Argentina and Brazil. Bush served as a pastor in El Salvador and as director of Partners International before taking up the leadership of AD 2000. The two primary collectors of global data are British: David B. Barrett, director of World Evangelization Movement, Richmond, Virginia, and Patrick Johnstone, research secretary for WEC International, Gerrards Cross, England.

Obviously the architects of the AD 2000 Movement had a great deal of history to inform their vision. One who played a major role in helping them to take history seriously was Todd Johnson, a member of Youth with a Mission (YWAM) and a son-in-law of Ralph D. Winter. Winter, founder of the U.S. Center for World Mission and general director of the Frontier Mission Fellowship, Pasadena, California, is known for his plea for the unreached peoples at the International Congress on World Evangelization, held in 1974 in Lausanne, Switzerland. Over the last quarter of a century Winter has been developing some of the key missiological concepts behind the present movement. The first half of the AD 2000 watchword, "A church for every people by A.D. 2000," was forged at a frontier missions consultation held in Edinburgh, Scotland, in 1980, a meeting substantially inspired by Winter.

Quote from a comment written by Tomas Wang:

In the compilation of articles prepared for the 1989 Singapore GCOWE (Global Consultation on World Evangelization) meeting, Thomas Wang quoted Winter approvingly: "We believe there are ample evangelical resources . . . to make a serious attempt to plant the church within every people [group] by the year 2000.... We believe... that the very end of history may therefore be near."(14.)

(14.) Thomas Wang, "By the Year 2000," in Towards AD 2000 and Beyond, p. 2

Going back to the article written by the LCJE they state "But it is interesting that a historic meeting of leaders of believers in Jesus like this was held in a place like Seoul, and not Jerusalem, where it all began. "

The Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism (LCJE) and The Lausanne Consultation on World Evangelisation (LCWE).

Acording to Jews for Jesus in Australia [13] "In 1980, The Lausanne Committee for World Evangelism (LCWE) sponsored the Consultation on World Evangelisation (COWE) in
Pattaya, Thailand." (this was able to help the LCJE) "Reaching Jews" was one of the 17 mini- consultation groups at that event. The enthusiasm of the leaders in the field of Jewish evangelism who attended to expand the network gave rise to the formation of a task force, now called the Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism (LCJE).

[14] The LCOWE is the parent body from which LCJE was launched in 1980 [15] acording the LCJE "The1983 paper commissioned by the Lausanne Consultation of World Evangelism (LCWE) passionately pleaded for more cooperation in the Body. Since the LCJE is connected to the LCWE"

also quotes “. …independence of the church is bad, cooperation with the church is better, service as an arm of the church is best.

The LCJE is quoting from John Stott’s Theological Preamble to “Cooperating in World Evangelization: A Handbook on Church/Parachurch Relationships,” an Occasional Paper of the Lausanne Consultation for World Evangelization, 1983.

The LCJE is against Biblical separitism over doctrine, they do not want to remain independent from the LCWE.

This quote is in intended for the unity of all denominations including the Roman Catholic Church, Greek Otherdox and Lutherine etc... to say that the LCJE is connected to the LCWE, is that they have the same ecumenical spirit, again this is linking with the Roman Catholic Church "The Lausanne Consultation for World Evangelization (LCWE) felt strongly enough about cooperation between church and parachurch groups, that in 1983 it commissioned ten scholars to do a careful analysis of the subject."

They also state The1983 paper commissioned by the Lausanne Consultation of World Evangelism (LCWE) passionately pleaded for more cooperation in the Body. Since the LCJE is connected to the LCWE, using material from this paper is a good place to start this examination. Here is a quotation from the Occasional Paper that relates to us:

Yet we who share the same biblical faith should be closely united in fellowship, work and witness. We confess our testimony has sometimes been marred by sinful individualism and needless duplication.

We pledge ourselves
to seek a deeper unity in truth, worship, holiness and mission.

We urge the development of . . . strategic planning, for mutual encouragement, and for the sharing of resources and experience.

So the LCJE wants cooperation in its body with the LCWE as they share "the same Biblical faith" and want to be "Closely united with them in fellowship"
they also want "deeper unity, worship and Mission" in order that they can have a development of strategic planning ? Mutual Encouragement and Sharing of Resources and Experience ?

The LCJE are closely united with the LCWE in fellowship, regardless of the ecumenical History of the LCWE.

The LCWE has ecumenical relations with the [16] Roman Catholic Church, the LCJE admittingly share "the same Biblical faith".

Lausanne states "An important event took place on June 19. Dr. Norberto Saracco Lausanne International Deputy Director for Latin America, was one of the organizers.

He says: It was important for what the Catholic Church represents in Latin America and because of the growth of the evangelical church.

Evangelical and Catholic charismatics overwhelmed the facilities of the Luna Park to pray by the unity of the Christians, guided by the preacher of the Pontifical House, Rainiero Catalamessa, and the Shepherd of the Evangelical Church of the Reconciliation, Giovanni Traettino. The ecumenical demonstration counted with the participation of the primate of Argentina, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio (Buenos Aires) who received on his knees the blessing of the 7.000 persons that were in the place.

The motto of the encounter organized by the Communion Renewed of Evangelical and Catholic in the Holy Spirit (CRECES) was “that all of them may be one, so that the world may believe

The LCJE states [17] "If the LCJE could foster these attitudes between missions and congregations, face the reasons for the lack of cooperation and get over the competition that exists, we will all achieve more for the Kingdom of God."

Referring to the Consultation in Thailand, the LCWE said that a “change is now called for in our attitudes to one another as we ‘strive side by side for the faith of the gospel.’” Another statement in the paper reminded the readers that, "
Christianity is basically a religion of relationships. Relationships are of deeper significance than organizational structure and identity."

The struggle for the preservation of organizational identity must not be permitted to disrupt spiritual relationships, whatever our rights may be.

The LCWE urged that “we need to repent of the spiritual pride and selfishness which often appears to be at the root of deteriorating relationships.

What is the Criteria for Joining the LCJE ?

Acording to Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism (LCJE)
[18] to join you need to agree to the Lausanne Covenant, their ecumenical statement is this [19] "Therefore, in the light of this our faith and our resolve, we enter into a solemn covenant with God and with each other, to pray, to plan and to work together for the evangelization of the whole world. We call upon others to join us. May God help us by his grace and for his glory to be faithful to this our covenant!"

The LCJE admittedly accepts the same covanant as the Roman Catholic Church who also accept the Lausanne Covenant. This shows that the Vatican has no problem with it, in keeping with many other denominations.

The langauge used in the Lausanne Covenant is the same language used by plenty of Catholic organisations such as

[20] The Marian Community of Reconciliation (MCR), We live a full apostolic availability, which is to give our entire lives freely to the evangelization of the whole world. Looking to Holy Mary, we assume the mission of living, like Her, an authentic spiritual motherhood.

[21] Letter from Mary's Touch By Mail on the occasion of the election of Pope Benedict XVI quote "we will be amazed at the miracles of our own lives changing for the better and the whole Church restoring the splendor of her truths and the vitality and fervor among her members for the evangelization of the whole world. ",

[22] Archdiocese of Denver "Marian Community of Reconciliation" ("The Fraternas") They live out full apostolic availability, dedicating themselves entirely to "the evangelization of the whole world".

[23] Pontifical Society for the Propagation of Faith, "To increase spiritual and material assistance between particular churches, with particular attention to the exchange of apostolic personnel with a view to the evangelization of the whole world."

[24] The Vatican, The Holy See website under "The Catholic Church as an Evangelizing Community" 49. The mystery of Church communion is intimately linked with the Church's evangelizing mission. Jesus Christ himself referred to the unity of the Church as an aspect which compels and strengthens mission: "that they may all be one;.............Indeed, the Catholic Church in the hemisphere can offer to the evangelization of the whole world an evangelical witness of communion of inestimable value.

[25] The Affirmation of the Lausanne Covenant (1974) is clearly outlined in the Article from: International Review of Mission
July 1, 2001, called the ECUMENICAL AFFIRMATION ON MISSION AND EVANGELISM: written by JEAN S. STROMBERG [26] executive director, US Office of the World Council of Churches (WCC).

Acording to the article JEAN S. STROMBERG had produced some significant documents on mission and evangelism, such as the Lausanne Covenant (1974).

This also states that "at the Nairobi assembly, the moderator of the central committee, M.M. Thomas, devoted a section of his report to the topic of evangelism, noting theological convergence in the results of the Bangkok World Mission Conference in 1973, the International Congress on World Evangelization in Lausanne, 1974, the Bishops Synod in Rome on Evangelism in the Modern World, 1974 and the Orthodox meeting in Bucharest in 1974 on Confessing Christ Today.

The Lausanne Covenant.

Under the lausanne Covenant it states [27] "We, members of the Church of Jesus Christ, from more than 150 nations, participants in the International Congress on World Evangelization at Lausanne," [28] quote "The International Congress on World Evangelization was held in Lausanne (Switzerland). It was a gathering of over 2400 participants belonging to 135 Protestant denominations from 150 countries. Half the participants were from the third world. "Some hoped, while others feared that Lausanne would usher in a global organization in opposition to the WCC.

This did not happen. Instead the Evangelicals were challenged to rethink their theological position with regard to mission. Lausanne proved to be a new beginning, as far as the Evangelicals were concerned, in re-evaluating their missionary theology and their relationship to the ecumenical movement." Religion-online is a organisation that contains more than 6,000 articles and chapters.

Both in the speeches and in the statements of Lausanne, there
was a note of repentance. John Stott, a leading evangelical theologian and New Testament scholar from Britain
said at Lausanne

"I do not propose to put up a few ecumenical skittles in order to knock them down with well-aimed evangelical balls, so that we can all applaud our easy victory! We all know that during the last few years, especially between Uppsala and Bangkok, ecumenical-evangelical relations hardened into something like a confrontation. I have no wish to worsen the situation... I hope in my paper to strike a note of evangelical repentance... We have some important lessons to learn from our ecumenical critics. Some of their rejection of our position is not a repudiation of biblical truth, but rather of our evangelical. caricatures of it."

Lausanne was a repudiation of several of the criticisms raised by McGavran against the World Council of Churches’ understanding of mission; and, like the conference in Bangkok, it came to a comprehensive understanding of salvation. It was a great step in the narrowing of the gulf between the Evangelicals and the Ecumenicals., David Bosch observed:

"The Lausanne Covenant is one of the most remarkable evangelical documents of recent decades and one with which a wide spectrum of Christians can identify, inter-alia because of its comprehensive and unpolemical nature. Much of what it affirms differs only slightly from WCC positions at the time."

Flaws in the lausanne Covenant

The Lausanne Covernant is not clearly black and white, what they state and mean are two diffrent things, this covenant created by the executive director, US Office of the WCC. Shows the Covenants clear ecumenical plan.


"He illumines the minds of God's people in every culture to perceive its truth freshly through their own eyes and thus discloses to the whole Church ever more of the many-colored wisdom of God."

Rome would not have issues with this statement, within Lausanne this includes,
Anglican Communion, Assyrian Church of the East, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, Latin Rite, Eastern Catholic Churches, Other Churches that call themselves Catholic, Roman, (Continuing and Independent) Anglican, Orthodox, Pre-Lutheran Protestants, Lutheranism, Reformed Churches, Presbyterianism, Congregationalist Churches, Anabaptists, Brethren, Methodists, Pietists and Holiness Churches, Baptists, Spiritual Baptists, Apostolic Churches - Irvingites, Charismatics, Neo-Charismatic Churches, African Initiated Churches, United and uniting churches, Religious Society of Friends (Quakers), Restorationism: Stone-Campbell Movement, Southcottites, Millerites and Comparable groups, Sacred Name Groups, Bible Student Groups, Anglo-Israelism and Messianic Jewish groups.


"All men and women are perishing because of sin, but God loves everyone, not wishing that any should perish but that all should repent."

Rome would not have problems with this statement, nowhere does it state this in the Bible.


"To evangelize is to spread the good news that Jesus Christ died for our sins and was raised from the dead according to the Scriptures, and that as the reigning Lord he now offers the forgiveness of sins and the liberating gifts of the Spirit to all who repent and believe. Our Christian presence in the world is indispensable to evangelism, and so is that kind of dialogue whose purpose is to listen sensitively in order to understand. But evangelism itself is the proclamation of the historical, biblical Christ as Saviour and Lord, with a view to persuading people to come to him personally and so be reconciled to God. In issuing the gospel invitation we have no liberty to conceal the cost of discipleship. Jesus still calls all who would follow him to deny themselves, take up their cross, and identify themselves with his new community. The results of evangelism include obedience to Christ, incorporation into his Church and responsible service in the world."

Rome would not have a problem with this statement, this so-called new community. as Dwight Longenecker former Evangelical states "But the Pope calls all Christians to profound conversation of heart in order for ecumenism to take place. In his encyclical Ut Unim Sint, he writes, Their can be no ecumenism worthy of the name without a change of heart personally as well as communally. Each one has to change his way of looking at things.' He calls Catholics Orthodox and Protestance to move forward into a new re-formation of the church, ' The Second Vatican Council, connecting renewal, conversion and reform states that Christ summons the whole church... to a continual reformation.' ...... the Pope calls the whole church to join in a quest for a "new kind of Christianity" in which all Christians can once more unite"

A book titled Path to Rome by Dwight Longenecker states.

"As Vatican II really gets into the bloodstream of the Church, the old doctrinal and liturgical missunderstandings will also dissapear at a grass roots level. Catholics will become more evangelical and evangelicals will become more Catholic. Lynn Jolly points out in her essay that Tillich referred to the 'era' of reform, rather then the churches of the reformation, and as one Catholic bishop has remarked, 'The era of reform is over.' "


"In the Church's mission of sacrificial service evangelism is primary. World evangelization requires the whole Church to take the whole gospel to the whole world."

Rome would definately align itself with this statement.


"We affirm that the Church's visible unity in truth is God's purpose. Evangelism also summons us to unity, because our oneness strengthens our witness, just as our disunity undermines our gospel of reconciliation. We recognize, however, that organisational unity may take many forms and does not necessarily forward evangelism. Yet we who share the same biblical faith should be closely united in fellowship, work and witness. We confess that our testimony has sometimes been marred by a sinful individualism and needless duplication. We pledge ourselves to seek a deeper unity in truth, worship, holiness and mission. We urge the development of regional and functional cooperation for the furtherance of the Church's mission, for strategic planning, for mutual encouragement, and for the sharing of resources and experience."

Rome most curtanly has no problems with this statement, by its nature this is a very clear and strong ecumenical statement.


"More than 2,700 million people, which is more than two-thirds of all humanity, have yet to be evangelised. We are ashamed that so many have been neglected; it is a standing rebuke to us and to the whole Church. There is now, however, in many parts of the world an unprecedented receptivity to the Lord Jesus Christ. We are convinced that this is the time for churches and para-church agencies to pray earnestly for the salvation of the unreached and to launch new efforts to achieve world evangelization. A reduction of foreign missionaries and money in an evangelised country may sometimes be necessary to facilitate the national church's growth in self-reliance and to release resources for unevangelised areas. Missionaries should flow ever more freely from and to all six continents in a spirit of humble service. The goal should be, by all available means and at the earliest possible time, that every person will have the opportunity to hear, understand, and to receive the good news. We cannot hope to attain this goal without sacrifice. All of us are shocked by the poverty of millions and disturbed by the injustices which cause it. Those of us who live in affluent circumstances accept our duty to develop a simple life-style in order to contribute more generously to both relief and evangelism."

Rome has no problems with this statement world evangelization is the Vatican's goal in order to turn men and women into good Roman Catholics.

These are some of the examples and statements from the Lausanne Covernant and my advice would be that people should not sign themselves up to it.

Who is involved with the LCJE ?

The people involved are as follows, [30] Louis Goldberg, Arnold Fruchtenbaum Ariel Ministries, Moishe Rosen, Art Glasser, Dan Juster, Stuart Dauermann, Mitch Glaser, Susan Perlman, Michael Schiffman, Paul Cedar, Adrian Glasspole.

Members of the LCJE

To name a few: Adrian Glasspole (CMJ), Jonathan Bernis (Voice Ministries International), Albert and Dorothy Pasche (, Arnold Fruchtenbaum (Ariel Ministries), David Brickner, Moishe Rosen, Susan Perlman, Steve Wertheim (Jews for Jesus), Dr. Gary Hedrick (CJF Ministries), David Zadok (, Knut Høyland (Caspari Center), Jens Arne Skjøtt (Danish Israel Mission) and Kai Kjær-Hansen, Bob Mendelsohn, Jim Sibley, Jean-Paul Rempp, Rabbi Kirk Gliebe, Henry Morse, Mitch Glaser and Tuvya Zaretsky
(President of LCJE International Committee).


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Paul said...

This is quite interesting. Flawed, but interesting. How would RATHER that Jewish people were reached with the Good News? Could you advise as to your better way?

First Plumbline Apologetics said...

Paul their are other messianic groups who are not part of the LCJE, you dont need them to do evangelism such as Moriel ministries..

If you are intrested e-mail me and I will give you some alternatioves

First Plumbline Apologetics said...

sorry alternatives

Paul said...

This whole thing is riddled with errors and untruths.
For a start, Jew for Jesus are NOT a part of any other Ministry.
You really don't let the facts get in the way of your bias and hatred for Jewish people, do you?

First Plumbline Apologetics said...

Dear Paul

J4J are signatories to the Lausanne Covenant by reason of their membership of the LCJE, of which the chair of J4J in Israel is President.

A number of other ministries that are involved with the Evangelism to the Jews are also members.

Although J4J is made up, primarily, of Jews who believe in Jesus Christ it also has many Gentile members, some of whom are known to this ministry.

I believe that simply because criticism concerning Ecumenical involvement is expressed this does not make one an Anti-Semite, as you seem to believe.

There is no doubt in my mind that God still holds the Jews in His plans. When the fulness of the Gentiles has come in the Jews will be restored, as Messiah stated, "The first shall be Last!"

This ministry does not believe in Replacement Theology, that the Church replaces Israel. Nor do we subscribe to the idea of Dual-Covenant, that the Jews will be saved without accepting Jesus Christ as Messiah and Son of God. We are not Super-Sessionalists, that somehow the Church Supercedes Israel.

We do not hate the Jews, we have even defended the State of Israel against her pro-Hamas/Hezbollah/ Fatah enemies personally by counter demonstrating at pro-Palestinian rallies. We are known by various Jewish groups in Manchester for our stance and have respect amongst them for this--even though they do not agree with our New Testament beliefs.

We stand against the New Ecumenicalism which aims to unite all those who profess any form of faith in any form of god.

Only in new Testament Christianity and in the writings of the Jewish prophets is God declared to have a Son (Re Prov 30:4b).

We also reject, most strongly, Roman Catholicism as a true representation of Christ on earth. The dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church are anathema and, for this reason, we should not be having any involvement with events and/or organisations that make overtures towards the RCC. We dissagree with the J4J publication, "Issues",which spoke solely about Jewish Converts to Roman Catholicism as if there was any merit in this. Nor their promotion of Mel Gibson's atrocious film, "The passion of the Christ" which is completely based on RC Mysticism and not on the New Testament accounts, amongst other things.

We are in total dissagreement with J4J's involvement with "AD2000" and the "Cell Church" Movement.

There is more that I could say, but there isn't the space here to cover this, and the points I have raised should be sufficient reason to understand where we are coming from.

Am Israel Kai!