Sunday, June 12, 2011

Open Letter to Jews for Jesus

Dear Jews for Jesus

I am writing to you as I do not believe the conditions of your last e-mail (
30/3/11) in response to me has been meet, I have been told by one of your webmasters (Jews for Jesus USA), Emmanuel Mebasser: the ministry does not hold to the beliefs or teaching that are in the Catholic church that are not in the Bible (we do not hold the Apocrypha as part of the Bible).

This does not explain why you are simply overlooking doctrinal issues in the area of ecumenism nor will you address this issue with me; it appears that when the question is asked I am being side-lined in indirect comment’s that does not directly deal with the issue.

Why if you are opposed to Catholic Doctrine is it that Jews For Jesus are working in the RCC in delivering Passover services around London and some parts of the UK where you are accepted in some Roman Catholic Churches. As explained by your secretary who was on the phone to me in London; also as confirmed by my correspondent in Stoke-on-Trent.

Would it not be more of an honest statement to say you are ecumenical as you have supported and praised Jews who became Catholics. This was reported in the Issues magazine Vol 17.4 and in attendance for the first Ecumenical LCJE event as stipulated in the LJCE magazine that Jews for Jesus was in attendance at Cape Town 2010 organised in conjunction with the WCC and the LCWE, this also featured Rick Warren as one of the main spokesman.

And furthermore one of your members in the Bulletins 95 LCJE magazine stipulated that there was an ecumenical gathering held in Buenos Aires in South America led by a Roman Catholic Cardinal.

I was wondering how does Jews for Jesus justify its partners and involvement with such organisations?

Please can you tell me your praise of such Sedevacantist Mel Gibson’s passion of the Christ film and praised it for a reason to open dialogue even when the whole story was a vision based on two Catholic mystics who practiced monasticism.

Please can you explain to me why Jews for Jesus are trying to change the RCC views on the Jews and treat the RCC as being partly Christian?

For Jews for Jesus to say they do not agree with Catholic doctrine it would appear that Jews for Jesus is trying to find common ground with the RCC, because Jews for Jesus is not a church, nor do we hold a specific theological track of thinking.

The above Jews for Jesus correspondent stated “We are diverse and don’t require our missionaries to be a specific denomination because we are more concerned with people hearing the gospel. We hold to what is written in the Bible as the authority in all circumstances and we encourage all people who come to faith in Jesus to find Bible based community to join in their area.

You say that we are compromising, but we hold that it is actually more of a compromise not to share the Gospel for the sake of non-essential theological differences.”

Does not deal with the issue that Jews for Jesus does not actually discourage any Jew who wants to be a Roman Catholic, you also say that “we want to be recognized as Jewish people who believe that it is not only okay to believe in Jesus, but that it is the most Jewish thing anyone can do, that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and that He rose again on the third day, and that anyone who believes in Him and his sacrifice and confesses it with his mouth will be saved.”

On this bases you reason that it does not matter what a person practices in regards to denominations be it Roman Catholic or Greek Orthodox are not exactly discouraged from remaining in the very practices that sends them to hell because the Mass rejects Jesus substitutionary atonement and so do the Icons in the Greek Orthodox Churches.

I would appreciate any response from you on this issue.

Acting for truth in the name of Jesus

Miguel Hayworth

Director/First Plumbline Apologetics
http://www.firstplumbline.net

ACT Member (Apologetics Co-ordination Team)

5 comments:

siouxishprincess said...

I like reading posts with big words! Not that I understand them all! (What was that word you used for Mel Gibson..Sedevantist? That sounds like a sedentary evangelical...moi!) I'm not sure if you want an official post from Jews for Jesus or if you would be interested in posts from individual Jews who love Jesus. If the latter, perhaps I can help. My search for the truth took me to some pretty strange places before I decided on my particular church membership. Even now, I have some differences with some of my denomination's official beliefs. I love the fellowship, their intensity of worship, and the church's desire to partner with other churches in risky, not-always-popular, outreaches. I do take on the responsibility to study the Bible in its original languages in order to dig deeper. I feel that there are details of doctrine, however. Just as in the Old Testament, the Shema reigns supreme as the jewish person's confession of faith, the Nicene Creed was developed as our new Testament confession. I don't see the catholic church disagreeing with that, even though in practice some Catholics do not understand the implication of it. There are a lot of Catholics out there who are relying on the shed blood of Jesus alone for salvation, and a number of Protestants who think they'll go to heaven because they've worked so many potlucks. I guess I'm saying that no church, no group of imperfect human beings, has a corner on perfect doctrine. I believe that the individual must make a decision as to which group of fellow-imperfect humans to fellowship with on a regular basis, and must also make a decision to study the Word thoroughly on his own, in as great a depth as he can. Rotten details bug me - a lot. But they are still details. Lighting candles in front of statues is no more or less damning than a footwashing service run amuck. Hope this helps.
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First Plumbline Apologetics said...

Sedevantist's are more or less Vatican I catholics who are opposed to vatican II

you can look Sedevantist up on wikipedia but their are lots of problems with them doctrinally

You stated
"That sounds like a sedentary evangelical...moi!) I'm not sure if you want an official post from Jews for Jesus or if you would be interested in posts from individual Jews who love Jesus."

I am not intrested in idevidual comments the letter has not been answered so I make this publically known.

Your Comment
"If the latter, perhaps I can help. My search for the truth took me to some pretty strange places before I decided on my particular church membership."

Jesus for Jesus is not a Church nor a denomination.

Your comment
"Even now, I have some differences with some of my denomination's official beliefs. I love the fellowship, their intensity of worship, and the church's desire to partner with other churches in risky, not-always-popular, outreaches."

This does not address the point of new ecumenism, you see many have come away from othodox biblical christianity that the case is Doctrinal diffrences are now increasingly relevent, this is how the spirit of anti-christ takes you in order to foster a counterfiet unity.

your comment
"I do take on the responsibility to study the Bible in its original languages in order to dig deeper. I feel that there are details of doctrine, however."

It is your responcerbility as Jesus said in 1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
if you dont take responcibility to study the word for your self that is between you and God.

Your Comment
"Just as in the Old Testament, the Shema reigns supreme as the jewish person's confession of faith, the Nicene Creed was developed as our new Testament confession.


I don't see the catholic church disagreeing with that, even though in practice some Catholics do not understand the implication of it."

My comment : maybe because you are vastly ignorant of Roman Catholic History The problem with the Nicene Creed this was written by the council of Nicea to deal with the evangelical problem, the whole aim of vatican II's ecumenical council was to bring the seperated breatheren back under the authority of the pontificus maximus (the supream pontif) I also ashume you have never read the catechism."

First Plumbline Apologetics said...

In other words Rome teaches the supreme power of the priestly office is the power of consecrating. "No act is greater," says St. Thomas, "than the consecration of the body of Christ." In this essential phase of the sacred ministry, the power of the priest is not surpassed by that of the bishop, the archbishop, the cardinal or the pope. Indeed it is equal to that of Jesus Christ. For in this role the priest speaks with the voice and authority of God Himself.

When the Priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of the saints and angels, greater than that of the Seraphim and Cherubim.

First Plumbline Apologetics said...

Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man—not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest’s command. (Cardinal John A. O’Brien, The Faith of Millions, Our Sunday Visitor, Inc., (Huntington, IN 1974), pp. 255-256)


Where did this blasphemous fable originate? See The Priesthood of All Believers by P. G. Mathew, M.A., M.Div., Th.M.

John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

1 Peter 3:18a For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.

Hebrews 10:11-12 [11] Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. [12] But when this priest [Jesus] had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 9:24-28 [24] For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. [25] Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. [26] Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. [27] Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, [28] so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

They should remain seperate.

even get out of the LCJE.

http://www.firstplumbline.net/html/lcje.html

http://www.firstplumbline.net/html/jewsforjesusindex.html

First Plumbline Apologetics said...

I have more examples but this, you can now even take it two ways just inor catholic doctrine on the bases that no one has perfect doctrine or reject the RCC (I am not talking about catholic ideviduals who are ignorant of their own dogmas and teachings) or you stand up and fight for truth, this is the issue as for J4J this does not answer the question why is J4J allowing its affiliation with the Roman Catholic Church.